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If there’s one thing that always stirs up a debate for our family… it’s golf. Some of us provide sensible, measured and articulate points. Others, chat complete s**t from start to finish. You can decide who’s who for yourselves!
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S2 E2: A Promise Made, Undefeated Quiz Champion, and Millionaire Compensations
From ultimate fails on the 3rd hole at Bull Bay GC, to discussing the most 'rattle-able' people and of course... more PGA/LIV controversy. Joined by Liam once again and a familiar voice in DG, the boys do what they usually do and allow simple conversations to escalate into disagreements.
We also delve into the world of golf controversies, debating the recent news of Saudi investors offering financial compensation to PGA Tour players who declined to take part in LIV Golf. Is the compensation fair or not? And what are the consequences of these decisions for the world of golf?
I went. Mark my words, mark these words now, and I'm willing to bet you all a tenner. You know, you know this DJ. Go on, i Shoot around in the 70s this year. No, honestly, that maybe you can have house, you can have online. Don't want your kids just a house. What they are. What is it? a nine-old course of it. You, you Right.
Speaker 1:Not only did we come back and actually record an episode, we we've actually made it to a second as well. Josh is late, just another, but out there. And he told us he's gonna be late, but then he was later than that as well. He gave the heads up though, yeah, that's all I could do. We've got Leon back with us, who had a massive silk with me, and Josh midweek Said that, yeah, in a moment. So he said he was actually never coming back on it. And yet here he is. Yeah, did you? You know we are quite well either.
Speaker 1:Well, introduce a G there and then ask the question are you can introduce a G? Well, we've had what, what I've said you on DG when we first had you on number three. No idea, there was a while ago anyway. So we got DG on a while ago. It was a scratch golfers gone up to five now. Now we've got DG on what you back to scratch on? yeah, you were off one when you came on, when you, i think, and then you Kept. You normally just sat at the back. Yeah, i'm playing again, yeah, so, yes, so back to scratch.
Speaker 1:But the question I was gonna I was gonna post here is it was more, it was based on the country, what you're gonna pose, the question Yeah, is that what you say? Yeah, just push for you. Yeah, thanks. I was gonna say, like, like Tristan leads you. Then, liam, when a Mami and Tristan midweek, yeah, so he's not come back. I don't know why. Do you find that he is like one of the most rattleable Ever met, like the guy gets a rattle Over nothing, mate, like absolutely nothing. And you can sit there on the camera after nonchalant meeting, laid back Sleepy Words in seconds for you Yeah, yeah, you are By the. Yeah, i've got more days out the way there You are in your at all.
Speaker 1:I think it goes in like a certain order with you, for, okay, i won't put Liam as the most Rattleable Griffiths. To be honest, who's gonna one? Jack's number one? I love a good bottle job as well, to be fair to you, i asked Jack midweek Anything you change in episode one, just so we know going further, and he immediately answered and said yes, stop talking shit about me. He's made it to company. It is So. Did you know? I saw them got Jack first than who I think it's is Lee on then I've seen you crumble in the past. I bet it's gotta be. I reckon, yeah, josh, you're pretty, yeah, and then I reckon That's the correct order I can get. I can get you going quite easily. Yeah, that's a fair one. Actually I was, yeah, couple of pints I do get. I level up in terms of when I'm sober I'm quite unfaith. But Trist, trist And Liam and can attest to this he's got this weird attitude towards golf.
Speaker 1:He's like I don't know, he treats it like some sort of weird partner. That he's like I'm not asked about. It's like a little bit too spiritual that he we are One day, you know, yeah, yeah, he's a joined on time. You would have heard this conversation. What is he's got weird? Yeah, why, why, you know, got love for golf. Just just, it'll come back at one point. Just can't be asked plain or think just, you know, you know you got that love for golf.
Speaker 1:You swinging golf clubs in the garden or you see something, you're out shopping and you take a swing with it. I'm not doing that Like I got nothing. I don't think I've ever done that when I've been out shopping and just Yeah, what you can't imagine, can't imagine being a weekly shop and swing with a bigot or something like that. What are you doing there? love, i know what you mean. Do you like when I drive in a car, the right, any of you guys, when you drive past a field and meant farmers field, do you want to hit golf balls in that field? No, i just think what sort of golf course could you put there? Yeah, that's actually. Yeah, yeah, so I'm not like creative. You see, you know that. You know that one of the best ones right stand on the back of the third table. They, instead of looking towards the green, look like Do 180, look behind you and go yeah, be a good golf course up, they're good views on I.
Speaker 1:I tend to try and get on and off the third tee, off the white stead, quicker. I absolutely hate that hole Right, but you know me there a while like it, hate that hole. Yeah, i And I don't know And I don't know Saturday again. Right, i know my head's in the sand, but I don't know who won club champs this week or what. No Update, so go for gold.
Speaker 1:Who actually did win? Mr Bull be himself. Sean Thomas, i'm sure he's been on the. He's been on the pod, does he not? yeah, so sure, was he times. Was he number one guest? He was. Yeah, yeah, sean, when it with a 71 and a 78.
Speaker 1:The conditions were tough to be fair and the Scores don't reflect the quality of his game. Jack played with him. He went 71 in the morning, the wind was a, the course was very dry And the next best score was a 78, and that was by gazo. And who Is a scratch golfer or easy the very low golfer? anyway, second round was, i Think.
Speaker 1:I think you won the second round with the best, with the best Carded. Of course, yeah, jack did. With a 70. Jack's shot 71 in the afternoon. How did you get Jack? Jack had an ardent the first round. I. I withdrew after eight holes of the second round.
Speaker 1:Back pain, mate, that is disgusting, did you? would you ever pull out of the tournament with back pain? I know that. Yeah, see, i would you trust? Yeah, probably me. I know 33 now. I'm 33 now, man, i'm getting lucky.
Speaker 1:So it was. It was for my own, josh, as I was someone who Wasn't playing in the club champs. What did you do on this weekend? I, i, what did I do? and I and I don't think what hole it was, things me, i honestly didn't know. You said you've literally Just said the third hole. No, that was. That was the comp after that particularly weekend.
Speaker 1:I and I on, for it was for the hole hit to hit to left into that referee between the fourth and the sixth. But you know what I, i Well, hang on a minute. You went out on the fourth year to into the rough this weekend, just gone. There was no rough there, and you and I'd a hole Before before. Yeah, there's rough on the third, still no. So I went to that and Do you know, just behind the farmers field, i hit two absolute peaches and just landed the exact. I couldn't, i couldn't, i couldn't like The dispersion. The farmers field Yeah, i was in over the wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right until the green. Yeah, they were meant, they were good strike, they were good strike.
Speaker 1:I'm just, you know, yeah, i'm, i'm sure now for the viewers 30 off the back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, about 210 yards, predominantly into wind, especially this time of year. Yeah, you've got. You've got a track Which is roughly a hundred yards, goes through the third. It dips into a valley. You've got a track and then the greens, fairly elevated, a little bit above you, but your feet can compare to where you are on the T about, yeah, 60 yards right, there's a lot of field and a farmers shed Left is a bit of trouble left. But so one of your distance I'd say, if you look like, generally, okay, if you're going at the middle of the green, you've got a good 20 yards left and about 30 yards right for your balls in big trouble. Yeah, that's been generous. You've probably got more room to find your ball as well. To find your ball, you've got about 40 yards each.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you? are you honest? I'm confused now? Are you three honestly shocked that I had on the third? Yeah, that's all shocked. We just want you to tell us like anything like today, it's anything like we're not shocked, and like one minute, one second, before you see time, told you, did you?
Speaker 1:I do not do well warming up, i don't. I'd rather find out how I'm gonna play alive Like, then be like, oh, and I didn't work out very well, but it does some time. Well, not most time it doesn't. That's the best. But if I were, if I go to the, if I go to the net or the range and I hit it shit, i'm like I'm not to. You know Why where I go, full shit, hang on a second. So if you go to the net of the range and you're hitting it shit, you don't, you don't play the round. I don't want to. Yeah, but you just said you don't see up, you can never really. But you as a golfer Would never, ever go to the range or the net and flush it. Recently I have been no, you haven't. You never asked. That's like Right. Dg. Dg taught me through hold on a minute. We don't know what shot you we've Right. So I allowed for my hydro And then hit a high block fade And it with what club? So it was to, it was to 20 wind interface back to you. So I went with the seven. What I'm with the seven? No, it was a nine. I know that's not no joke. I'm gonna think I went with like a five iron because I was like I'm not gonna get there with a four iron. There's no club on my bug, an iron in my bug I'm gonna get there with. So I was like I'll play the one who I ain't in your bug, so I can't really hit that at the moment. It's, i think, that the shafts who whippy. So you've gone six yards into the field. Yeah, what trust.
Speaker 1:The lad known as the bomber was leaner cat on a par three. I Do you know that. Do you know? I thought it might. If I got it, if I struck it well with a draw, it might get there with a couple of bounces. But anyway, that's what the point. The point is, i flared them out right and they landed behind this wall. I'm me, my playing patterns, we've got two of them there and we were like, stop right, oh, flared them or did you block, push them like you said? No, block, block feed. I said what technically? that's why I'd call a flare, wind cut, age went up and it's stalled. And then I don't know if it made over the wall. You block, that flare has gone 135 yards. No, this Bit further than that. I'd say well, yeah, it was, i'm anyway couldn't find the ball. And then Harbogie, par me Can't write it.
Speaker 1:Can you force it bolted on it? Yeah, can't write it me. It's unreal. I hate Pete. I hate peachwood. Drive down four. I've got four yards in it wedged to about nine foot and Yeah, i miss the pet like. But So you have to go from keep. Believe I could terrible be. I'm on the precipice. That's the thing I really am. I feel like, go on, what this? this mentality right here, is exactly what I want to come up, i want to bring up right now. Okay, so you've just an add, for This is a complete estimate based on how long you playing golf and how long I've known you My whole life and my brother. Yeah, i would say you've an add. Mmm, over 60 times, over 60 times in competitive rounds, i would say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Talk us through how you have the audacity to sit here now and go. That's the golf home capable.
Speaker 1:I could table Bay Park because it happened, didn't you know? I mean, i'm not fabricating it. It's not like I had more respect for you if you went. I went five or three, made an A and then I went. Yeah, but yeah, i'm actually done I. The walk back to 30 is an awful one, like through two gates back up the hill. I'm not doing that, i'd rather just and I'm playing for handicapped. That didn't work either. I shot 104, net adjusted. Wasn't gonna be a long walk though, is it? it was just one I wasn't willing to make with the golf.
Speaker 1:I bought the table that particular day okay, get what. You know what I mean, dg. Surely you've been there, you? you're a fan of a kick in the screen every now and then. And yeah, the golf you bought to the table that day, and you've literally just told us that you hit a driver wedge into the fourth and so, and then proceeded to say this is what I'm capable of.
Speaker 1:So which is how many people that result in an hour? how many of you guys? but I take it all of us here, the fans of Rory, yeah, yeah, i know he is currently playing a lot of birdie buggy golf. I like he's almost there. He's almost there, being just cut out a couple bad shots and all that stuff. That's what I am. Also, on a bigger magnitude, though, the greater magnitude he doesn't. It doesn't work like he's playing birdie buggy golf. It doesn't work the opposite way around, where it's like double buggy eagle golf.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, that you're referring to someone who's probably the best golfer on the planet and just literally finish second in the US Open as inverted commas. Almost there, yeah, he is almost there. That's the definition of almost there for me. Second, no road in my closet is it. Would you say, oh, yeah, i mean in, in, in general terms, yeah, but is he there? there is where he wants to be and is he where he wants to be? no, probably, yeah, well, no, fine margins to win. So, yeah, if you could repeat, is weak, you'd probably say, yeah, my, like I said, the point I'm trying to make is my game is almost there and there's gonna be a come of time this, this season.
Speaker 1:Go on, do you where it may find? if I knew the answer, if I knew the answer may have a. Given you it right now. Because they like top golfer is always like you know, top pros and stuff. I always talk about trending, so I'm doing see, you've got like he likes to, like fleetwood and stuff.
Speaker 1:Other very good final round, the US Open. Like 63. I think that's the second time he shot 63 in a final round with a major. Yeah, he's going right direction in the playoff week before. It's only a matter of time until he wins. Yeah, you're telling me you're making.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and your trend? yeah, that's exactly what I'm telling you, and the way you, the way you described then, is better than I like with us. Yeah, and art a par par is definition trending upwards, i think. Yeah, but that's just over three holes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sevens was a triple.
Speaker 1:I think the only thing I would say you're capable of trending into from that right if you've gone pop up are, yeah, mm. Literally the only thing I think you're capable of after that is four parts in a row. I would you think the most, my peak, would be four parts in a lot, for I don't think par, par, par indicates at all that you're ready to win or score a low round. I would just say the next step for you is can you do four in a row? no, my next step is to put all together on. I think when I went, mark my words, mark these words now and I'm willing to bet you all a tenner.
Speaker 1:You know, you know this, dj, go on, i shoot around in the 70s this year. No, honestly, that maybe you can have a house you can have online. Don't want your kids just a house, what they are, what is it? and I know the course of it. That is sorry, you know I. This is why, again, you just fuel in the fire. Yeah, i just pulled up into a petrol station and you fill me up. Both or three of you will feel you, i reckon, i reckon you.
Speaker 1:I played with you where you've wins the moans about your golf game. You've literally go on. You've win the moaned about your golf game on the first hole, yeah, and then proceeded to throw a ball down onto the second tee and pull two iron out, yeah, and just just try to hit it off the deck. Yeah, what's the point playing golf if you're not gonna try and hit the shots you want to hit? you don't do it in competition. I do and comes. That's why I am probably I'm my own, but I think when it's good, it's good. Yeah, 42 points, mate, it's back to back B2B. I have the ability. I do no, when, no, when you're on this shit, when I'm on my shit, oh, yeah, in a good way, yeah, yeah, bad way, no, bad way, all right, i know that, afraid for you, but yeah, yeah, yeah. But the ability to get around when you're playing shit and you haven't mastered that you get. No, i forget that. You haven't mastered anything. You're mustered anything.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna take what you've just said, your own quote, which is what's the point playing golf? what was it? if you can't hit the shots, you want to hit. No, if you don't hit the shot you want to hit. If you don't hit the shot you want to hit, just ignore age for a second, all right, and think of development stage. So ignore the fact that people have an age and just think of where they're at in the development stage, all right. So you take Liam, you take Liam's son, caleb, yeah, and Caleb picks up the two iron, puts it on the floor without a tee and starts to hack away at the ground. Are you gonna tell Caleb, caleb, you're not ready to hit that two iron, please put it back in the bag, please tear it up and use one of the junior seven iron sets. No, i'll say go on, go on, cal.
Speaker 1:Well, thinking that's not an actual, fair representative, because, yeah, i mean like, wait, i didn't. I say to you ignore age and think of it as development stage. It'd be surely so you're trying to say so. Let me say that the difference between Cal ebs junior driver and adult two iron. It's the same for him as is for me. yeah, you are incapable of hitting a two iron off the deck? yeah, but why do it? because it's fun. If you don't, when you strike it, well mate, there's no bad feeling. Yeah, but why don't you do that in a non competition scenario? I do it in every scenario, every scenario, so that when it comes to comp scenario, i'm ready. You know I, because you're chunky, not yet this.
Speaker 1:I'm saying my game's trending and when it's on, why my strokes game T to green when I'm on is is like what you're talking for. Oh yeah, i can put them as well. That's why I win when I'm, when I'm put, when I'm good off the teammate, i win. Hence why I'm gonna come in the 70 something before we move on to the quotes. That's bullshit.
Speaker 1:By the way, does anyone know why the US GA sent the players out so late? I didn't see any of the US open. None of it only highlights the next timing. No, it's not. No one knows the answer. I stayed up till half three to watch fucking Wyndham Clark win, did ya? So you knew where they went out late. Then I knew they went out late. I don't know why. Did it not say on the coverage Well, no, it's in LA.
Speaker 1:It's like eight hours different. It has to be. It's not like they've not played it before. Yeah, sorry, let me ring him for the next episode, mate, but wasn't Wyndham Clark and Ricky Fowler out at half six at night in LA? So half two, it was half ten here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, was it the middle American time? Yeah, half two, though why, i don't know. I couldn't tell you, mate. I've got nothing to do with the USGA. Seven of meters.
Speaker 1:I'm sure the Masters is pretty late. Don't think it's that late. Normally it's done by like midnight. There's only five hours difference with the Masters because it's the other side of America, isn't it? Well done there? But to answer your question, just no, no one knows, mate. I thought one of you might do so. There you go. I thought you might.
Speaker 1:Obviously we watched it. I just watched it, mate, and I was absolutely. I just thought I'd watch it and Ricky or all he'd do it. But Wyndham did it. To be fair, he played unreal. He like didn't look like he had never made it before. He was solid. He was, he was solid, he was trending. He was trending. He has been trending, mate. There's lots of similarities. You've seen me in, mate. He's got the NS. No, we hit it a long way, mate. It does throw a ball on the floor and try to hit a T-line, but you can hit it. He actually did. He actually did, and you know what he did.
Speaker 1:He played the whole of the US Open by hitting his irons and his woods off the tee So that he didn't catch a flyer. That was his thought behind it. That's my thought as well, when I did. No, it's not No, my thought is, if I hit it off the tee, i'm not going to get any shock ups. It's not going to surprise me with the flyer getting the fairway. Do you get me? No, no one does.
Speaker 1:Right, we've onto the quiz. Cheers, okay. Quiz of the second episode. I'm just going to repeat, because I'm going to say this every time I don't have any set rules. So basically, at the end of it, i'm just going to decide who's one, based on a mixture of things.
Speaker 1:Well, because there should be rules, there should be set rules, and I said this week I'd have a think about what the rules are, because sometimes I have three people on, sometimes just two And I thought do you know what? I can't be asked. So you're going to answer some golf questions And if you win, you win, if you don't, you don't, and there's no soul for you about it. But surely the way you measure who's one is on who answers the most questions? Yeah, but this is a tie. It's not a tie. So we're going to out-brain in champ.
Speaker 1:Let's go, dg. There's a pint on this, by the way. This is how rattable you are. So if it's a draw and Liam gets it, yeah, did Liam buy you a pint? He actually swigged half of mine. Liam bought myself. Yeah, he bought himself tops. Yeah, as much as I'd love to be on your side, but you owe Josh a pint And if you don't pay up, you're making mockery of the quiz. Yeah, so there's one in the bank for me there from Liam. Soon to be another one from DG. I'll come to Conley for that, mate, don't you worry. Any time, mate told you What's the green fee for a member's mate. You've got to put a handicap limit, mate. Go on, dg. What does it hit me? It's not the limit. 30 quid, that's not bad. What's the going rate? again, 115?.
Speaker 1:On a Saturday, i think it's going well, aren't you? What's the par DG at Conway? 72? 71, i think Also, i've got even more chance of shooting in the 70s there than getting actually shot. No, you've got less chance. Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah that I completely backfire them out. I think that's my Twitter interaction there. I think Lee Jones want to take you for a knock there anyway and see how much he has worked here His round. So the past 72 here. Now another one of my guests, lee Jones, shot 68 this week And I tagged you in it, josh, and I said there's levels to this game.
Speaker 1:Right, i left it at that because I wanted your interpretation. I've got that, josh Worth man. Yeah, yeah, well done. How many levels do you think that are between you and Lee? Two, so you just think you think there's going four on the par at Conway, then there's a level in between and then you think there's an NR on the third. Yeah, shit goes really good. Is this a quiz question? Shit goes really good There, there. So that's just two levels, mate. Simplify golf, it's not a hard game, but yeah, just before we got shot up to Lee, that was actually really disgusting, considering the scores that had just been come from Conway, from the competition. Did you play in it as well? DG, the ABBA Conway. Oh no, just play the other Conway. Yeah, that was insane. 68. Crack on Tristan Right.
Speaker 1:Who is the current Olympic champion, zander Schofelay? Yes, 1-0, josh. Dg. You're awfully quiet there, mate. You're awfully quiet there. Do you not get that one there? Is that me? 1-0, mate.
Speaker 1:I don't know why I found myself rooting for Josh to win. It's easy, mate. My golf knowledge is second, because if you beat him in that match, that's why That was 1-1, mate, and you were lucky out, driving by about 40 on 15. What's your phone name? Yeah, you cheated, Yeah, right. Question two Who was top of the golf world rankings just before lockdown? Brookseptor No, so you're out now. Josh Ferg Rahm No, liam, liam, you better not be looking at your phone. Just play it safe. Just play it safe. Beef, oh God, no, right, look What is your phone again. Oh, was it? Yeah. Who was it? Rory McElroy? Right, Josh Stays-Malade. Question three In what year was Ricky Fowler's last PGA Tour win?
Speaker 1:2014. Zian, you're out. Josh, you're out 17. No, i'll let you all have one more guess 2018. No, pg, josh went out. 15. No, liam, 2019. Yeah, correct.
Speaker 1:Bonus point for what the event was? Hero World Challenge? No, what year was it? I didn't hear that. 2019. The Deutsche Bank? No, random guess. Was it the match play? You're out, mate. Pg Can't remember.
Speaker 1:The Scottish Open was a ranking competition for the PGA then. No, lauders-holland-golf Phoenix Open, oh, waste Management, phoenix Open 2019. He's not actually been out the win. I know it's four years by now, but it feels like he's been out a bit for about 10 years. Yeah, but when he knows he was out of it, he was out of it. Yeah. Yeah, it was really good to see him back. It was Part of me was opening when He's not finished outside the top 20 this year? is he PGA? Yeah, no, something stupid like that. Yeah, you call that Josh Trending mate. Yeah, he's trending.
Speaker 1:Question four At which course did Matt Fitzpatrick win the US Open in 2022? Brooklyn, cinecock Hills? Yes, josh, cinecock Hills. Mate, that's at ULR. No one can match from these quizzes. Well done, josh. That's two points. Anyone tell me, just test your golf knowledge. Anyone here tell me why he's one of the only two players? He's an URT amateur there as well.
Speaker 1:I like doing it for everyone. That's an easy one, mate. It's why you used to sit there before me then shouldn't you? You had not even finished anything. Yeah, right, this one surprised me. Okay, all I'll say on this one is more than you think.
Speaker 1:And to win this many in Tiger's era is genuinely really impressive. I didn't know this. How many PJ Tour wins does Phil Mickelson have? 21. It's more 47. Liam, 36. It's 45. That's it. Do I get the point? yeah, no, you don't. What? That's shocking, chris Mastery. To me that was a lot. 45 wins, that's half of Tiger's, basically, or more than half of Tiger's.
Speaker 1:When did you get to Nikolson's turn pro? I don't know, but he's 50 now, isn't he 53. How long did he go on the challenge? Well, liv's been around for two years, is he? Is he about 94, 95? It was a good five years for Tiger.
Speaker 1:I think Tiger was out in 90s seconding. It wasn't five years. Right, fact checked it, fact checked it. Fact checked it. He was in Happy Gilmore, wasn't he, phil Mickelson? He made a cameo in. I'm sure he made a cameo in Happy Gilmore, did he? yeah, sure, 92. What was that, liam? What did you say? Five years from 97. My maths were out and out. Yeah, tiger, 97. 96. Right, congratulations, josh. What five years. Congratulations, josh.
Speaker 1:You are the second week champion, so that's two. And oh, if anybody thinks they can take on our resident quiz champion, let us know. You won on one against him. I promise you he's never filmed or laptop, it's all brain power.
Speaker 1:I know that about the golf swing and the golf, other people's golf swings as well. So, dg, just stick that behind the. You know all about the golf swing. Dg, you won the point. When you come to Conway mate, you can have a point. I'll get you a point after you've won. So I've got a chance to nine and eight. No chance.
Speaker 1:You actually want to take one in your home course because I don't think you can. I'll take, we'll do an affordable. We'll do me versus you and me versus Lee and then me versus someone else. Can you just pick someone else Because you realize you put yourself in four ball, but you've done it in three golf, yeah, yeah, music, ok, right, debate time or discussion time.
Speaker 1:At least I've read that read on golf monthly, so it has to have some legitimacy. I've read that the Saudi investors are going to financially compensate the PGA tall players who turn down live golf. I don't know if there's any in and outs about what it looks like. But I don't know where I stand on that. I don't know if I agree with it or disagree with it. I honestly I would say that I'm on the fence, but part of me thinks you think it's bullshit. It's bullshit, they lost, they lost. You can't just say they lost after a long break.
Speaker 1:Brooks and Bryson and DJ all took massive, massive sums of money to move to live golf and they fully understood the consequences. The consequences were that they may never play on the tour again And they took that risk. They were willing to take that risk. Guys on the PGA tour that chose not to join. I didn't want to take that risk, so why should they now be compensated? It's grossly. I say gross. It's an indication. If you think about it from a business perspective, we're not, we don't need to, it's not our job Thinking from a family and consumers perspective.
Speaker 1:The guys who left PJ Tour you say they understood the concept. No, they didn't. Hence why there was litigation suits. Hence why they were suing the PJ Tour. They wanted to have both. They wanted to have the cake and eat it. So why can't the PJ Tour players who didn't also have their cake and want to have their cake and eat it At the time. I think at the time they probably thought, well, this is massive assumption. But at the time they probably thought, like you said, they wanted the cake and eat it.
Speaker 1:And it turned out that the PJ Tour, dp World Tour, all turned around and went. You can't have your cake and eat it. You can't take as massive sums of money choose when you want to play and turn around, because it doesn't affect just PJ Tour, it was DP World Tour. There's a few players that left there. There's massive lawsuits on there. I think there's a few players on that tour who are still affiliated so that they get massive fines every time they turn up and play a live. Yeah, they are, which apparently reading in here in some stories, they're going to get the live golf Saudi investment, whatever you want to call it. They're going to pay those fines for those players and they're free to go back on to the DP World Tour.
Speaker 1:It's mental because, to be fair, the one thing I don't So those who stayed at the PJ Tour. They were obviously promised certain things but they didn't come to fruition. But also I would say I kind of agree with Liam in the sense that I was just playing devil's advocate before. But you can't have both, and you either want the players who left live to get penalised when they come back, and that be it, or they don't get penalised when they come back and the other players get compensated. The guys who left to go to live. This is none of their doing.
Speaker 1:The decision that they made was that they would play on another tour that was separate from the PJ Tour. Why should they get fined now? Because the PIF and the tour have come to some sort of agreement where they can both coexist. If I'm Brooks Kepker now, i'm like why, why should I? Why am I getting? That's the thing. Yeah, it's not a co-exist. They're probably, if this all goes through, they're not going to coexist. There's only going to be the PJ Tour, dp World Tour and the PIF funding. That Live is going to go away, isn't it? That's what it looks like. So, brooks, for the likes of Brooks and DJ, the PIF and the tour have come to an agreement.
Speaker 1:Whether you like it or not, live was formed or born out of the PIF trying to get into the golfing world And as a product. That's what threatened the PJ Tour. Hence why there's been this merger now because they wanted to do away with all the litigation and they just wanted to unify golf. So they made a deal with live as a product or the PIF as a product of what they had brought to the table, and Brooks and DJ and Phil Mickelson and everyone fell under the banner of that product. You can't simply just go right we're going to delete that product, but we're going to keep those who in it and we're going to find them, you can, i think one of the things that I don't understand and I would need to have a point on it in more detail is am I right in saying they remain separate entities Who live on the PJ Tour? Yes, they are.
Speaker 1:If that's the case, the only people that need to compensate those players is the PJ Tour, because the PJ Tour told the players stay with us, stay in this format, and they'll either go away or it will just diminish into nothing, right? And that didn't happen. They did the polar opposite of that. They said if you can't beat them, join them, which I disagree with anyway, like I said last week. So it's not up to Saudi investors to come up to the players and say listen, i know you've had a hard time. Bladi, bladi, bladi, you're a multimulti millionaire. Let me make you a multimulti, multimulti millionaire. It should be the PJ Tour saying listen, lads, i'm sorry for the comments that I made about not joining, live doing it behind your back And if you do need some sort of financial compensation, it needs to come out of the PJ's pocket.
Speaker 1:If that's the way it is, i don't understand why the Saudi investors would even offer to compensate those players. They didn't take the deal. It's a pure dollar mate, but it's a crazy setup. It's a crazy setup. Everybody's free to make their own choices. Everybody's free to live their life the way they want to, and they chose to go to live. Like Liam said, they knew the risks but they were willing to do it. They were all taken to the clear. But if the PJ Tour, they also have a responsibility as a public company. You can't just go out and say what you want to say to keep power. It has to be validated. If they have gone out repeatedly and said we're going to do this, we're going to get a delay, keep staying with us, you're going to get the money, stay with us, you're going to get the money, it needs to be them compensating the players, i agree.
Speaker 1:But the whole point that well, really, between what's being put out in the media and listening to various other podcasts and stuff, was the PJ Tour couldn't afford to fight the litigation battle. That's true, and they had the inflated purses in the bigger events and stuff like that. So they were dipping into their slush fund, as they call it. I think the risk was well Saudi or the PIF, or they were going to throw as much money as they could in the litigation suit so it would go away. So the Tour had a choice either fold or take the deal with the PIF.
Speaker 1:Do we know how much we're talking about in figures of compensation? Because one of the reasons I can see the PIF actually wanting to compensate the players if they are that loaded, you could say, if they do have that much money, it might just be right. We want to bring the PJ Tour best of the best where they live, best of the best monthly or whatever they want to do, weekly or really often through the year. But if it's going to have aggravation around the new setup, if it's going to have bad blood in the events, i'm just going to pay them. So if they have that loaded. That's the only way I can see the PIF just wanting to say fine Rory, fine John, i'll give you money if you just shut up and get on with it now.
Speaker 1:The PJ I, janet, don't think that They're only going to compensate the players that were offered to join live. Otherwise you're in, rightly so, because of the fucking little rat. He's not that, really, he's living. The thing is, though, i think, like Liam said there, the live players incurred the risk of leaving live, but surely the big overarching risk there is it couldn't work, it might not work out, which it looks like it might not now, because I genuinely don't believe that the PIF cared about live. Now that this merger goes through and they are everything's green lit, they can have the financial back and they want nothing's bought. It's all signed and sealed. The PIF will not fund live. The PJ talk won't let them fund live if they want the merger to work. So part of that risk is part of the risk is that they left, is it wouldn't work out when it didn't. So the downside of getting the opposite side of getting loads of money to incur the risk is that you have to then pay a bit of that money to get back on the PJ talk, the talk you left for what you thought would be a better talk.
Speaker 1:Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, but they shouldn't be fined. There's no way they should be fined. For me, it's either a fine or compensation. You can't do both. Well, you can't fine. I'm trying to find, i'm trying to work out what the best example of this is. But if I was to like, say, i was offered a new job, now that was more money, let's take it to the extreme and just exaggerate a bit And I joined this new company for more money and then that company went into liquidation. Even thinking my old company merged with this new company, why should I be penalized for now that I'm actually under the banner of what my old company was? Because it's not me who makes those decisions, it's the guys at the top.
Speaker 1:It depends on your awareness, doesn't it? Yeah, on your shifty job. Do you know what? It depends on your awareness because these top players have all got management teams, stuff like that. You look at, like Cam Smith, when he signed the Liv deal, that was in some of it being around for a little bit, wasn't it? Yeah, it was moving. Just come off winning the openness that, andrews, was it two weeks later or a week later or not two weeks later? It was really moving before you, wasn't it? You're confusing awareness for clever business decisions and they're being penalized. They're going. Hang on a minute. We messed up. Actually, we want to try and reclaim some of that 200 million. We paid Phil to join us because actually Phil's worth 200 million to the PIF alone for what he's done. He's got their foot in the door, yeah.
Speaker 1:But there's an element of what you're saying is well, liam, that you're being quite harsh on the PJ Tour and the PJ Tour players, and I can see your point. But you're talking about the likes of Phil Nicholson and the likes of Brooks Kepaker who, i agree, have created the platform. But they never had that platform without the PJ Tour. Like it or load it, it doesn't matter, doesn't matter if you like the management or anything. Liv Golf isn't a platform to grow golf, whether they call it that or not, wait a second. So the PJ Tour is still a tour that is creating icons in the world of golf. Then Liv Golf is just taking icons. So that has no no hold on Phil Nicholson and Kam Smith and DJ Guys The listeners. This is just the start of Liam getting rattled. He will progressively get worse and worse and worse. Continue.
Speaker 1:You're digressing from the topic here because DJ and Brooks and all them they aren't the guys who wanted to keep playing on the PJ Tour. I've told you they left and they knew the consequences of which was that they would never get to play the PJ Tour again. So either either Jay Monahan makes that decision and sticks to his words and says you'll never play on the PJ Tour again, but have fun with your 200 million, or however much you talk, or he says well, actually the whole reason we wanted to merge this because we wanted to unify golf, and part of it is like Josh is, to an extent, you can't find them and compensate the Tour players. You're either going right look, we're not going to define you and you the benefit that you get is reentry into the Tour, but then for the PJ Tour players that turned down big money, they're not going to be compensated what they were offered to leave the Tour, but you can't. For me, the biggest issue is the players getting fined because they have no control. They have no say in what this merger is. Is that a topic, though? I don't think it is is it Is about the players in PJ Tour being compensated financially.
Speaker 1:I've not heard any topics about live golfers being fined. Yeah, there is talk of that. Yeah, well, there is currently. Live golfers are getting fined, aren't they? DP will tour for still being members of the Tour or the DP will tour when they get fined every time they play a live event. How much, i don't know. I think it's different, tenner, i think. So you've got your likes of I don't know, ian Poehler or who I actually think is someone else. That's just a business decision. That means basically for call.
Speaker 1:If you look at the history behind Michael Jordan's Jordan's shoes, when Nike were trying to persuade him to join, they weren't allowed shoes that had over a certain percentage that weren't white. So they had the red branding on the red tick or whatever on the shoes and they were fine. $5,000 every game they made Michael Jordan wear them, but obviously £5,000 compared to what they made. So live golf are basically just saying find them all you want when it's fine. We're probably tipping people that much money. Yeah, fine them now, that's fine, because live currently still exists If they want to play DP Tour events or if they want to continue playing live whilst they're members of the Tour, then yeah, that makes sense, find them.
Speaker 1:But I think one of the things that came out under the podcast, as I said, even the Tour players DP World Tour player that was on that podcast. He said no one knows what the rules are going to be around any live player that say live folds and they come back to play on the Tour. Will they have to go through Cube School? will they have to because, at the end of the day, they've taken a slot away from a pro that's probably been loyal to the PGA Tour, the DP World Tour. How does that work? Because they'll drop in, say, like he likes a brooks, dropped back into the PGA Tour. Yeah, it's just when I made you this year one of the best players in the world. What's he allowed to? just slot back into the PGA Tour? take someone who's been loyal to the Tour for God knows how many years, or someone's just come off Of the corn fairy into the PGA Tour. Is that fair? No, i don't think it is really. No, i don't think it is. It's just, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:The logistics that have happened, the logistics of the whole situation so far and that will continue to sort of be complicated going forward. I can't say into, because I can't think of I don't know if I did this in the last podcast a more dramatic feud in sport. The only one that tops it for me but I don't even think I can say it tops it was the Super League in Fulton. But that lasted what? a week, two weeks. This had lasted two years. That is a proper fuel as well. Yeah, but it's still a topic of conversation. It's still, but that's the whole point, isn't it? So what's the topic of conversation? How long is this after the announcement? two, three weeks now? Yeah, still no one knows.
Speaker 1:What's going on with the pines, what's going on from the players? Is it going to be a lift tour next year? It's insane. So you look on socials and it's like it's going to be. So. Then 2024. And then you look in my other places. They've got an Asian tour event in. I think it's in the westwoods club in Clothes House, in the way that's going to have broughs. It's going to have a couple other players playing there And it's like, well, you can't even get players like that to come over and play in the British Masters, not the British Open, the British Masters, the T3 World Tour event. You can't even get a world if you like to get one player inside the world top 25 playing that. And then we all an Asian tour event that the westwoods toast in has got the westwood poll at her books. Kepler, patrick Reed Yeah, it's got some, but still some of the best golfers arguably in the world, or silver top 50 golfers in the world going the other way.
Speaker 1:So here's a question for you And I want Liam let's try and I'll try and condense the answer You're the commission of the PJ Tour. Now, it's all been green lit, one by one, sure as you can. What do you do? Well, hang on, what I need? more context. Do you find them, find the players? come back in, yeah. Do you compensate those who didn't leave? Yeah, do you both? Or do you just tell live golfers listen, you pretty much took a risk, you didn't work out, you fuck, you can only play majors. So I compensate the players, get Liam going first. Just on this, the question is pretty simple, mate. Well, no, because there's Compensate the players.
Speaker 1:There's the aspect that if you've got the live is still being run by live, it becomes messy, doesn't it? So does the whole system now sit under J Monaghan And J Monaghan's in control of. I presumed I just said you're all J Monaghan, you're all the commissioner Being green at the deal. I presumed that you were all gonna, you were all dead. What he's gonna do and just did disbanded live, okay, alright, does he disbanded live? though It looks like he will, if all this deal goes through and he's in complete control of he's the CEO of Live, the DP World Tour and the PGA Tour. There's no way he signed the deal. There's no way he signed the deal where Greg Norman and Live it's still a factor No way. So you can almost guarantee that when it gets green lit, if it does, live and Greg Norman will be gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because there is some talk of like the team element, of like an A Tour event is gonna be a team element. Yeah, i think they're gonna do it once every now and then, or something like that, because they're I'll keep some of it, but look, the Saudis aren't thick either. They're not gonna. They're not exactly gonna say to J Monaghan look here's, here's the product that we backed and funded to get us this far. Here's all of our money that you now get to spend. They're not gonna let the PGA Tour and J Monaghan shits all over them. There's gonna be some sort of compromise, whether that be that Brooks and them get to rejoin the Tour and maybe they do get fined, but, like, the fine is, you know, filled up 200 million and his fine is 50 grand.
Speaker 1:Anyway, they may find them or they compensate, but for me, if they're gonna be compensating the Tour players, that should be coming out of the PGA. Well, it's not my fucking money, so I don't really care, but it should be coming out of the PGA Tour's purse. Sounds like you care, mate. Right, liam, anyway we digress. So you would just find players. Then, yeah, you would compensate players, sorry, i'd compensate players. I'd say, look, we've unified golf again. We have to have the likes of Brooks Bryson especially Brooks at the top of his game. They need to be competing against the best in the world. This is the only way we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1:You guys, you were unlucky, not to. You know, you stayed loyal. Here's a bit of money. Throw that money at them, make it go away, because if you're gonna, you know it makes sense to compensate the players that were offered because, technically, live were never interested in the Tour players that they didn't offer. So if you please the ones that you compensate, then you please everyone, whereas if you were to like find the live Tour players, you might get some resistance because they might have the same view as me, saying, well, this is none of my doing and I've been thrown back into the fold where I potentially could be still playing back on the PGA Tour. So, like I think that the path of least resistance is to just compensate the players that were offered but stayed loyal to the Tour. Josh, yeah, i don't. Didn't you say brief, yeah, and I'm not sure if I got that right then, but I think he would compensate the players, i think. So that's what I took from it. Jesus, all right, thank you. No, i'll go with the DJing I would. So I would compensate the players that have been approached PGA Tour and DP World Tour and then send any player that returns back to either Tour to Cube School.
Speaker 1:Okay, have it for me to give my answer. Have they given the live golfers a lump sum, or is it installments or based on a piece? I think it's contract based over a couple, like at a certain amount of years. That's when I'm basing it on that. They haven't provided everybody with a massive lump sum right.
Speaker 1:And if I was Jay Monahan, i would just bring everybody back into the fold and I would say what you've earned on live so far, fine, but there'll be no more. I'm not going to honour your contract of the 200 million or whatever, because live golf is gone. And I'd turn to the PGA Tour players and I'd say it is what it is. We're all going to make money. I'm not really keen on the idea that we were here in the first place, but we're going to push on as it is. So you didn't join live, thank you, and those that they joined live. I'm not going to keep your contracts to 200 million. What you've had is you have, but now you're back in the PGA Tour. Yeah, jay's not the new CEO of PIF, mate, because that's who Brooks and then made the deal with. But they're not going to have any say on their contracts. If everyone's a core, he would not be able to influence their contract because their contract was the PIF.
Speaker 1:Okay, mate, i just answered Josh's question. So, yeah, this is here. So again, yeah, do you know what I need to do? I need to get a um. I need to put like a sound board, yeah, with like a baby's rattle, and then every time he starts getting annoyed he's playing it and it just goes louder and louder and louder.
Speaker 1:Mate, do you know what? do you know what I would do? Nobody wants to know, mate, i would find the fuckers that left and compensate the guys who stayed. Baby, i'd go. I'd second what DG said, but I think we all make valid points. To be fair On that point, though, dgc ever tried to rejoin Bull Bay, you're gonna have to put three pads in, and I'm finding your ass, mate. Yeah, mate, that's what you get for even Conway. What's wrong with joining Conway? Nothing, mate. It's just you in it. There's no one else, isn't it? Wounded to Lee Jones, who wanted to come to Bull Bay? like It's just you.
Speaker 1:Dg, you're now officially a missus, aren't you? Yeah, i am. Yeah, congratulations, mate. What's that say, though I do, as I am told. You got your missus mug there.
Speaker 1:I mean, how's the wedding? Good, mate, really good. And the honeymoon safari? yeah, yeah, good, really good. Would you recommend? I would definitely recommend, if anyone gets a chance to go. I was amazed, to be honest. Where did you dress? nice, i wasn't. Leon knows he was there. Where did you go on the safari? then? Kenya, masa Mara Yeah, that's nice, though I feel like I've straighted out on it Tread. Yeah, i would like to go one day.
Speaker 1:Most important question, though Did you play golf in your honeymoon? I haven't played golf for day before my wedding, so that's 25th of May, so I've not touched the clubs since then. Shit house You changed since you've got my leave, mate, right, i've got a new house as well. So, no excuse me, i find golf. I find time for golf Any which way, mate. Yeah, but look Look at the difference. I'll actually go to the range, hit some balls or turn up about an hour before a tea time get a warm death play. Why would you turn up an hour before a tea time? What? Right, hold on just quickly before we go. So DG's an hour before his tea time, leon, when are you? Josh? I'm going to stop you there and we'll use it as a discussion next week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is it going to be an episode three? Yeah, i think so. Yeah, i'll let you know. Yeah, nice one. Dg for joints? Yeah, did he say? He said the teams in like quarter of an hour.
Speaker 1:How do you get one off you? what you're on about Tristan. Yeah, i let Tristan this week, mate, he's been sat on the zars, so I have been enjoying ducsly taking the backseat to this. It's been better Leon. So, yeah, but Yeah, i enjoyed that Leon.
Speaker 1:Again, i'm enjoying this slow volcanic build up that we've got coming up with here one day, one episode. We're going to get him, aren't we, tristan? He's going to flip his lid, mate, i think you have to do something around dope and weekend town cup. I reckon you've got to build it up to that. Yeah, but a little bit, unfortunately, and not for the start, mate, we'll have to get you versus Jack, you versus Jack, and then me and Tristan the bugs. Indeed, you're commenting Josh as a sign off. Actually, you can have the sign off. Liam cheers for coming on DG. Nice to see you again, buddy and Josh as a sign off, give a message to James. True, there, do you know there's. I've got much to say to that guy at the moment. To be honest, i'm trying to focus my. I'm trying to conserve all my negative energy I have for him for the match. Okay, yeah, that's them. They don't want to waste that on him in the meantime. See you next week.
