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S2 E4: Eddie’s Return, Golf Lesson Feedback and Scottish Open Disagreements
Ever felt like you're in a love-hate relationship with golf? Embrace the journey as we dissect the industry's ever-evolving nuances and uncover hidden truths. Look into the mental and emotional tolls, the triumphs, and the heartbreaks that make the game what it is.
Eddie’s return gives him the opportunity to give Josh a dressing down, but whether it’s registered or not is another thing. The lads use the time without Trist to give their honest thoughts on him!
We weigh the value of mental strength and the impact of a positive attitude on a golfer's skills. We quiz ourselves on our knowledge of the game and evaluate the possibility of moving the Scottish Open to a more accessible course. Wrapping up, we emphasize the focus on golf's core fundamentals and the importance of getting back to basics.
What's Texas scramble team? in the summer, i feel like I'll be the Renny in a team full of heartburn.
Speaker 2:Realistically, you know, wow, Wow you are straight. You don't lack any confidence.
Speaker 1:No, why Was it to game? or lacking confidence? No, right guys, here we go. We've ditched Trest. He's come down with an illness, so he won't be part of this episode. He's come down with a bad dose of flangular fever. He's properly jibbed this one, and there's good news is that we've got idea for season two, episode four now, and we had nice to be back. We got the guest appearance.
Speaker 2:Yes, we're making it permanent, but it's interesting how things have changed since I've lost. you know you can't stand still in this game, kind of Josh. You all of a sudden have taken over the podcast in world, which is scary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't make. Liam knows the score. Liam's coming. He offers a bit of a different dynamic. Get more of a serious dynamic, I suppose, than what you're interested in. But you do, Why don't you? Liam?
Speaker 2:Not too bad. I don't think I've quite lived up to Ed's expectations. Well, to be honest, I think people would know you.
Speaker 1:I think people were getting sick of it and about you playing for Anglesey North Wales at the end.
Speaker 2:So you know that plays for Anglesey in North Wales.
Speaker 1:We can talk about it.
Speaker 2:We've got a whole segment in it. Don't, don't jump ahead. I played for.
Speaker 1:Anglesey mate Doesn't, doesn't, doesn't, stand for much with the 25 handicap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you played for Anglesey. I was going to say something really derogatory then, but you just played for Anglesey when the standard was nowhere near as good as it used to be. So it's, you know. It's all. You've got to contextualise everything, josh. It's a challenge.
Speaker 1:No, it's like. It's like golf, mate, If it's on the card. No one knows how it happened. All they know is I play for Anglesey. I don't know anything else about it. Did you play for Anglesey? Yes? Did Liam play for Anglesey? No?
Speaker 2:Did you? No, i don't know. Actually, i don't think so, probably not. One thing I haven't missed is your, your particular brand of waffle. I mean, i listened to the first episode and I couldn't. I was shouting at the radio in the car because you said that Tiger Woods I can't remember the exact quote, but you said something along lines of Tiger Woods is not a particular, it's not a good coach. You can't coach. Have a think about who has he coached that? you would say That's, that's. that's actually quite impressive.
Speaker 1:That he who has he coached?
Speaker 2:Who has he coached or is he coaching?
Speaker 1:I said, yeah, his son, yeah he's, he's. he's good player for his age. but it's the the verdict still out whether he'll be a good professional golfer in a.
Speaker 2:We can't hold into the future. In 14, isn't he exactly? probably scratch. Yeah, I'm switching on plus figures now, mate. And what is he? 14 years old, or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but this I'm saying the verdict still out. Yeah, he's got to win a major.
Speaker 2:It's nice. It's nice to see things have slightly changed. I mean, you've got, you've invested in, a microphone, so headphones which does improve things, by the way But one thing remains constant You talk absolute, utter shit. Listen I can't believe that you You have just titled his son hasn't won a major like that Benchmark. That's the benchmark, the link of Tiger's advice.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's got to be. You think he'd expect you to think he'd would accept anything less than that. Charlie's got pressures on those. There's some pressure on those shoulders And, like I say, if he wins a major, i'll come back on And I'll say, yeah, tiger was is a great coach, but Coach Harman Coach Harman was an absolute garbage player, i think.
Speaker 2:You told Eddie where you were last week, last Thursday.
Speaker 1:No, are you referring to my golf lesson?
Speaker 2:Yes, I am. Oh, should we get straight into it? No, I tell you what I'll do.
Speaker 1:I tell you what I'll do is, before we do that, we're going to address the elephant in the room And that, of course, is Eddie's absence. Tell all the viewers or the listeners at home. They all want to know, just like me and Liam do. where have your bollocks gone?
Speaker 2:Well, you're referring to where my bollocks are. You're assuming I had bollocks in the first place. Where have I gone? I haven't gone anywhere. Just really difficult to be on a golf podcast when I really don't play very much And I'm not in that golf world. I mean again, you talk, i mean out at the top of your head a lot of the time but you sort of deliver in your own way, whereas I don't feel like I'm in the golf sort of world anymore. I'm not playing, i'm not a member of a club, so I didn't feel like I was in the best position to do it. I'm also sort of very busy with work and things, so I'm just enjoying playing social golf now and again and listening to the podcast and being a subscriber rather than contribute to the content.
Speaker 1:That was a spit noise I made then, by the way, because that's absolute sacrilege that you're not a member of a course anyway. I don't know what has to happen in a man's life and to fall out of love with the game of golf as hard as you have. Oh no, i've not fallen out of love with it. You have mate Golf's a marriage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, when you assume you're making an asset of you and me, I like that one. But what I'm trying to say is golf's marriage, mate, it's not always love. It's a bit of give and take. Liam knows the score. When it's not going well, you've got to graft at it. You've got to go every time. You've got to go on date nights. You've got to make time for it. It doesn't sound like you are.
Speaker 2:What have you found more frustrating? Being on a podcast with Josh where you have an opportunity for a rebuttal to every daft thing that he says, or being a listener and obviously not being able to challenge him there. And then when he says these things, oh, the Tiger Woods thing got me, the Tiger Woods thing really got me. And I thought, yeah, if I was on the podcast, i was like, how is no one challenging with that point? His son is an outstanding player and will likely be at the top of the game one day And you just you're allowed to just waffle on. It's unbelievable. So yeah, not being able to contribute is a bit of a challenge. But I take your point, josh. I love the game. I haven't stopped playing because I'm not playing very well. I just can't commit the amount of time Like last year I was a member at Prize Haze and I played. I think it was like 700 or 800 quid the membership. I think I played about five, eight times. I'm just not getting the value for money there.
Speaker 1:So, Sounds like you're guarding your handicapped innit. It sounds like he's scared in case it goes up.
Speaker 2:No, not at, I think at, oh listen. A single-figure golfer No listen.
Speaker 1:I've had to deal with my other brother, Tristan, constantly having his tongue in Ed's hoop for this podcast. I'm not having another one.
Speaker 2:What's his nickname?
Speaker 1:What's he called him? Yeah, dickhead, i don't know. It rhymes with his name, eddie. I don't know, mate, if you're referring to the word steady, i'm not giving him. I'm not giving him the word steady. I'm sorry, i'm not giving him up.
Speaker 2:You really struggle at any level of praise. You really struggle with me, don't you? You just need to face into it.
Speaker 1:No, I'll give you praise that you've got to love the golf swing. But that's about it, mate. You've just properly chit out of another season of golf and I'm not here for it. Other people will be fine for it. Tristan's stand by. You support him. I'm not there for it. I'm not for anyone jibbing golf. Liam, fair play. He jibbed it through uni and stuff, but he's put his hard yards in since and he's reaping those rewards. He's a lovely golfer Right.
Speaker 2:so you've got double standards. It's all right for Liam to have a break, but it's not all right for me to have a break.
Speaker 1:It's different. When Liam was a uni student, he was living away. It's not the same, yeah, but now, if he can find the time to do it in between having kids, the world's your oyster. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:When's the last time you played that? When was the last time I played? Was it Ball Bay? No, no, i played since then. Jesus, i can't remember. I played recently. I can't remember when I played. I played in Tlannemannach, mid Wales well, sort of mid Wales in a society day. That's a really good golf course. Have you played it? No, did we play last? Was it Oswistry, josh? No.
Speaker 1:I didn't play that. Yeah, Oswistry is a course, obviously, but I didn't play it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you haven't played it, you should 100% go and play it.
Speaker 1:What's it called?
Speaker 2:Oswistry.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I don't.
Speaker 2:You'd struggle. You'd obviously you struggle, Josh, but Liam really enjoy it.
Speaker 1:What type of course is it?
Speaker 2:It's just golf course, mate.
Speaker 1:So just My game suited more to long and soft courses. With the way I strike the ball, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:But there we are.
Speaker 1:But anyway, liam, more to your point, i'll leave it on. I'll let you know, ed, i took a big step last Thursday. I went for a goal. Oh sorry, we're going to go back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, i'm dying to know this. Yeah, I went for it Set the scene for me. I need everything.
Speaker 1:So, basically, i don't know if you know this, but I'm struggling with my golf game at the moment And I've been for some time. Alright, okay, so I took the executive decision to go and see the local pro in Ball Bay, mr John Bevan, and it was a confusing lesson, to say the least, because everything I thought I knew went out the window. It was quite a. I wouldn't go as far as saying contradicting That's the wrong word to use, isn't it Liam?
Speaker 2:What would you say? It was advice. I would say it was advice, and the reason you're trying to find that word to explain it is because you struggle to take any advice. It was. We're not going to be bringing John Bevan's golf coaching skills into any level of disrepute, are we?
Speaker 1:No, not at all. He's a fantastic golfer and a really good coach. As is every single coach. I've ever seen Some fantastic coaches I've seen over the years.
Speaker 2:Except for Tiger Woods, obviously.
Speaker 1:Well, i've never seen him so I couldn't possibly judge. I'm just telling them what I see on him. And he's not coached any of his whole pro players. So I'm saying, anyway, john Bevan's a great coach, but he got me fixing my grip, which was horrible, absolutely horrible. Well, yes, in terms of feel, but in terms of practicality, is that the right word to say? In terms of the golf swing, it had to be done, he said. With the grip I had, i'd been blocking my swing speed by maybe 20, 30 mile an hour with the driver.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say that at all, but you've always had an incredibly weak grip.
Speaker 1:I've had a weak grip but I've had a weak grip. I've had a weak grip but I've had a weak grip. I've had a weak grip but I've had a weak grip. So he fixed that and he got me rolling my wrist through impact a bit more. I couldn't do it, could I? I went to the driving range and the first half of the driving range I was like I've done it. I fixed golf. I'm no longer 25 handicapped, but I've done it. And in the last half I debated why I was playing the game 25 handicapped I thought you were off 20.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I round up. You've got a very difficult relationship with the truth, haven't you?
Speaker 1:No, mate, I'm just going to say as it is Hang on.
Speaker 2:This sums up Josh, let's go. Both of you. Come on, let's fucking go. I arrived at the clubhouse for a meeting At the same time Josh was starting his lessons. We both met in the car park and I said have a great lesson. I'll catch you later in the clubhouse for a drink. Anyways, 45 minutes goes by. I'm having a pint in the clubhouse, josh comes up. How did it go? He has well and truly messed with my head And everything that he thought he was doing right. John has basically just quashed and told him to do differently, and the vibe I was getting from Josh was that he'd already written John off. Now, if John ever listens to this podcast, do not take that as a fence at all, because if you've listened to a couple of episodes before, tiger Woods couldn't coach him.
Speaker 2:However fast forward a week right. And the one good thing about John I've had a few lessons with him as well is he keeps it simple, stupid. He's so good at explaining the golf swing and the outcome of what different feels do. He basically can call every shot when you swing a golf club And he explains easily if you pull it left it's because of this And if you pull it right it's because of this, and you can begin to associate the feels in the golf swing and start to understand why you have your misses, whether they be left or right.
Speaker 2:So, anyways, i shook my head at Josh and thought this guy's mental. You know, pga Pro has told him what to work on And he almost just didn't want to listen. The way his attitude was. Fast forward a week right. He's been back on YouTube And this has been the catalyst to Josh thinking do you know what? maybe John has got some sense in what he's saying. He's been watching slow mo videos of Rory McElroy through impact and realised that actually Rory McElroy also turns his hands over through impact with the odd shot. And now Josh has decided he's going to knuckle down and he's going to give it a go.
Speaker 1:I'm going to give it a go, but just for any listeners out there debating to get a lesson, the message you get from what Liam just said is no point, mitch, go on YouTube. Just go on YouTube and you'll find absolutely every single thing. You need to touch a button And it's free. I'm joking. Do not go on YouTube. That's what happened to me. I found the pitfall that was YouTube And yeah, long so short. I am what I am, but I'm going to give what John Bevin said to go because it makes sense, and I struck the ball. Well, and drive me to the first half. I was doing it And do you know what? I'm just going to go and practice. The first time in my life. I'm just going to go and practice. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2:I don't believe you. I don't believe you. You're like what is it a crow or magpie that just see flashes of silver and they dart from one thing to another. That is what you're like. You're like oh, there's a new slow mo video of Rory, or this, that and the other, and it's like you just move from one thing to another. You just need to stay with a coach and persevere with it. That's what you need to do, and he's 100% right, by the way, obviously, because he's a PGA coach. You've got a weak grip. You've always had it. You swaying about, you move off the ball.
Speaker 1:That's where power comes from.
Speaker 2:There's no power there.
Speaker 1:There's no power.
Speaker 2:You won't have power if you've got such a weak grip.
Speaker 1:They said do you know what happens in your magpie? your whole life You build up a bank of shiny things. Get quite rich. I am, i'm Richard Golf Knowledge And when it clicks for me, when I'm when it drops into the slot, i genuinely think I'll be in far better golf than you. Liam, jack Tristan, all the. I genuinely believe this to the bottom of my heart, whatever you'd say.
Speaker 2:Do you know that if Eddie, tristan or Jack who's yet to be on the podcast said that to me, or if I never said it to each other, we would take that as a bit of a a a job and get competitive about it. When you say it, i think we would all agree that we really wish for that to happen. Yeah, I would love to see you get down to the level that either of us have played to.
Speaker 2:not that way we'll cross golfers at all, Definitely not Get the ball around the course and we can get the same ball around 80%. I would love, I would love to play with you and walk off the course thinking, do you know what? I'm proud of him.
Speaker 1:Hard times make hard men. Hard men make easy times. Easy times make soft men. Soft men make hard times. I'm going through the hard, hard time, hard men. You guys have gone through soft times and you're soft men.
Speaker 2:You're. You had easy times and you've become a soft man.
Speaker 1:Absolutely not. What is easy about getting like three nines in a row on a medal?
Speaker 2:Nothing. You need to look at the number. you need to look at the number above.
Speaker 1:If you don't need to, It's like my scorecard is like an Excel spreadsheet You put nine in one thing and you just drag it down.
Speaker 2:I drag it down.
Speaker 1:I drag it down 18 cells. It's just 99999.
Speaker 2:It's just it for Twitter.
Speaker 1:I'm on a journey. I don't know how long it's going to last. I'll get to my, i don't even know my destination at the moment, i'm just in the car, but I'll get there. I feel like like an hour Texas scramble team in the summer. I feel like I'll be the Renny in a team full of hard men.
Speaker 2:Realistically, you know, wow, wow you are, that's right. You can't lack any, any confidence.
Speaker 1:No, why? What's it to gain from lacking confidence?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's, it's you. You're so far removed from your handicap compared to where your game is mentally. That's your biggest issue. Like you, you will. You could make an eight on the first and full bay on the weekend, and then you will literally throw a ball down and try and hit the two iron off the deck on the second.
Speaker 1:I'd never do, i'd never doubt that, david You yourself that you're hitting like a low draw stinger. Yeah, i've envisioned the shot I want to try and hit.
Speaker 2:Of course that's what you've got to do and go, and how many times out of 10 do you visualize a shot and actually hit actually out of a hundred. How many times do you visualize a shot and actually hit it?
Speaker 1:depends on vision, and if I'm envisioning a block right on the shank is quite often, but if it's, if it's a nice high draw or a or a better cut fade or something you know Well, i thought I had.
Speaker 2:I thought, I had to cut fade.
Speaker 1:Is that what you call it? Yeah, better cut fade. Not often at all there, but that's besides the point. I'm envisioning a shot I don't have to execute it.
Speaker 2:What's the title? What do you play off now? I think I get 19.
Speaker 1:95% of 20, 19. So come October, the first we're back on the mat, the winter mats. Yeah, what's the goal?
Speaker 2:What's the handicap going to be. I would say my index is 18. I would be happy if I'm getting 15 shots on the golf course.
Speaker 1:So around the end of the year I would be happy if I'm getting 15 shots on the golf course.
Speaker 2:So around 14 or 30 in there.
Speaker 1:Oh, i don't know. I don't know what that translates to, but that is the actual goal. I think that's an achievable one as well, because all it takes for me is to go low. Eddie, if you're laughing or something to say, make it out.
Speaker 2:I honestly got nothing to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I thought, mate, exactly what I thought Yeah, what are you going to say?
Speaker 2:I'm just going to shave 33% pretty much of your index.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's achievable for someone of my handicap and my both right and ability on my day. Yeah, of course I've got an 84 and an 85 down mate counting. That's the type of golf I'm capable of. How long will?
Speaker 2:it be until they drop out.
Speaker 1:A few years, i'd say a good 12 rounds.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you now if you focus on what John has asked you to work on and only focus on that, don't get too technical and start thinking about where your hands are at the top of the backswing and what your wrists are doing and whatever, You've got a good chance of achieving that.
Speaker 1:Well, I've decided that I'm going to marry up all the feedback and lessons I've had from coaches in previous years and mold them into one and go from there. So I'm going to use the top to advice.
Speaker 2:Did you not listen to what I've just told you?
Speaker 1:Why would I listen to you, though?
Speaker 2:Like Eddie, am I being daft there? I'm going to be simple and work on what John has told you to work on, and your immediate response was I'm going to amalgamate everything that every coach has ever told you and work on all of that. You're talking about bringing all of the advice and all of the coaches that you've had You've had lessons off, but that also includes all of the YouTube coaching as well, so you're going to have reams and reams and reams of things to work on. Trying to bring it all together.
Speaker 2:I would argue categorically against what Liam has just said, for the fact that you have the attention span of a nap, so you're never going to be able to apply yourself along enough to be able to reach the rewards. And John Bevan I've not met John, but I'm sure that he is a very good coach and I'll take Liam's word for it, because Liam is a respectable member of a society that I have and I trust you. On the other hand, that don't You're not going to be able to do it unless you have some kind of personality transplant, which we don't want to happen, because we're going to lose what makes you you. It's not going to happen.
Speaker 1:Listen, Liam, don't use words like algemate, whatever you call it amalgamate, because it's confusing to listen to, is like Jack.
Speaker 2:I'll just write that down.
Speaker 1:John Bevan actually told me to do that very thing.
Speaker 2:This is here today.
Speaker 1:I believe, the actual worth he uses. I want you to go home. I want you to amalgamate all the things you've ever heard from anyone into one thing and go from there. So, for example, roll the wrist from him, fire the hips from Totty, adjust my grip from him and the other previous John Probes, because I'm going to get the best of everyone's teaching style in one swing.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, i'm honestly Oh, do you?
Speaker 1:know what. Honestly, i cannot wait, oh, i cannot wait, to break 70 and bull bay.
Speaker 2:honestly, Have you played ball bay? Yes, we've still got the ball bay, did I look?
Speaker 1:I cannot wait to do it and I'm going to, i'm going to. You guys are going to cop some grief.
Speaker 2:I don't think you'd, i don't think you'd break 70. But nine through, through no, realistically through 15 holes 15. That's a good.
Speaker 1:Let's say I went Three, four, four, part out. Yeah, so let's say I part out. What would that be? 11. So 81.? Yeah, probably not at the moment in time now, but I could definitely do it at one point. I remember that at one point last year my front nine score in bull bay was 60. So I'd, i'd I'd equaled the course record after nine holes.
Speaker 2:And which which part? which part of this is supporting the argument that you're going to shoot?
Speaker 1:sub 70? It's all part of the journey. Like I said before, hard times like hard men and that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to use that experience to be like oh yeah, I won't have a shoot course record, I'm not saying that in the 70 break, 70 novel bay, for sure.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank God. Oh, that's good. Yeah Yeah, i was half thinking that you were going to shoot the course record.
Speaker 1:Bad, yeah, but there we are. Liam tells about, briefly, briefly, he word briefly, tell us about your golf game. I know you didn't play on the weekend. The listeners are dying to know, i'm sure the listeners dying to know.
Speaker 2:my golf game is in a good place at the moment. I've had a few lessons with John has mentioned earlier and struggled, struggled, took a bit of a deck in form probably the last four weeks or so, but starting to get it back and I'm looking forward to playing the comp on Saturday.
Speaker 1:I was very that was very scripted When it had. I'm looking forward to playing the comp on Saturday. Robo cop over there. Right, Listen, listen, Yeah. What's your goal for the summer?
Speaker 2:I would like my index to be serve for. And what is it now? It's actually gone up to 4.6. now I was down to 4.1. And now it's shot back up. I think I had a 75 come off and a 76 come off recently. Good stuff, mate.
Speaker 1:His T to greens. really good, to be fair, very good, but you can get, you get. you get to serve three. What's your index ad? What was it?
Speaker 2:4.7.
Speaker 1:I think the last bit of time I look to all four of you, then you two, trist and Jack, and all similar level players.
Speaker 2:You've been down to 2.7. The one you had, the lowest I got was 3.8. I think Thing is.
Speaker 1:the thing is for you, ed though to be fair, you probably got the hardest task of all of us is because the only thing I stop when you from getting down to scratch is your mental strength, and that you cannot train that Like you cannot train mental strength. People have tried, People isn't? you either got it or you don't. Obviously me, trist Jack. pretty much everyone else I know has got it, apart from you, mate. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm sure you. How was your mental strength when you shot 60 front nine? I just went right.
Speaker 1:Let's do the next nine holes in 10 or nine, 69. Now I genuinely thought that that back nine. I was like listen mate, we'll just. We'll just see if we can have a fun. A fun back nine, i think I don't like 11. Yeah, why didn't.
Speaker 2:I know, Honestly, the one thing right I can I will criticize your, the entire family for is your is how much you are. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the one thing you can see, I'll end out every year because I'm a member of the year. What are you?
Speaker 2:saying It goes every year. How have you turned that into a win?
Speaker 1:Because it's not hard to turn anything into it. It's Eddie, I will golf, will, never, ever. When you're driving in my car, you look to the left and golf there in the front seat. Never, ever, ever going to take a back seat in my life ever. Wife and kids backseat.
Speaker 2:You, eddie, you're like that.
Speaker 1:You're golfing the garage. What?
Speaker 2:You know, it's just come to me. Imagine the key. Imagine Andrew Tate was born in and raised in Andalusian, played golf. No, that's you Top G Minus all the money And all the charisma. And all the charisma. Yeah, he's poor man's hundred eight. Knock about four foot off him.
Speaker 1:The only thing I mean the only thing I mean I'm doing. Take having common is we've both got a dick and brother called Tristan.
Speaker 2:That was class.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That wasn't even scripted. That was not even scripted. Well done.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Thank you Appreciate that. How am I doing as a host? Is it going all right so far?
Speaker 2:You're doing really well. actually, You're doing very, very well.
Speaker 1:Should we let this back on?
Speaker 2:I'm making a guest appearance. This is, this is short lives. Yes, i'm going to take that as a yes.
Speaker 1:But on the topic of hosting, it's now your segment to host, because me and Liam on go head to head on the quiz, in which, liam, i'm still, you still not beating me. You tied me last week. You still not beating me. Okay, i'm the quiz master. I'm the quiz master.
Speaker 2:Okay, question one How many green jackets does Tiger Woods have? Five, i was going to say that What is your?
Speaker 1:I'm going to go with six.
Speaker 2:No, it's five. You're both wrong Because you only get one green jacket.
Speaker 1:You both No point there.
Speaker 2:I deserve that point because he's won it five times. No, because if he, But that wasn't the question, was it?
Speaker 1:No, Thank you Ed.
Speaker 2:Okay. How many He's been a dawned green jacket five times though. Oh yeah, is that what?
Speaker 1:the question is How many times have you been a dawned green jacket, was it No, no, no, the question is how many green jackets does Tiger Woods have? Yeah, Where do you find them at?
Speaker 2:Andrew takes further seven to me. Okay. Question two How many majors does Mark Kooch have? None. One point, i'm going to go with one.
Speaker 1:Liam, you've caught it wrong. Mate Kooch has won Gooch Nada.
Speaker 2:There's a small part of me that's really missed you. Question three The first Chilean golfer to win on tour.
Speaker 1:Joachim Neiman.
Speaker 2:Correct, liam, things aren't looking good for you.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, we're back, baby.
Speaker 2:I was thinking of Camillo Vilgegas, or however you say his name.
Speaker 1:Vilgegas. I don't even know if he's Chilean Vilgegas, so that question three Ed Question four What does RNA stand for?
Speaker 2:This is a very easy one.
Speaker 1:Royal and ancient.
Speaker 2:Liam, what? I just froze for a bit there. What was the fourth question? Ah course, he's free.
Speaker 1:Do you know what Ed? Ask him the question, see if he gets it right.
Speaker 2:Okay, if he's probably heard the answer. What does RNA stand for, liam? Is it Royal and Ancient?
Speaker 1:Do you know what? As if.
Speaker 2:I was going to say something.
Speaker 1:He's impossible for me to lose.
Speaker 2:What I'm sure of handcuff and competitions at my golf club. mate, If I didn't know what RNA stood for, you'd be pretty embarrassing, wouldn't you? You?
Speaker 1:didn't know what it was.
Speaker 2:Question five.
Speaker 1:Scores and does.
Speaker 2:You're leading two and a half to a half.
Speaker 1:It's like Rider Cup mate, It's impossible for you to win Go. There's a question that you got looking wrong last week.
Speaker 2:What was that? How?
Speaker 1:many points do you need to win the Rider Cup?
Speaker 2:14 and a half. Yeah, you said 12 and a half. No, i'll prove it. It's hosted on Apple's platform. Question five This pattern is the open roster. Ok, st Andrews, high Lake, trune, where, oh Jesus, she's coming right again. Oh God, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:He's embarrassing. Three and a half I gave him a half there as well, i'm the resident champion, mate. There's nothing you can do about it. I'm coming for your golf game next, that's safe. Yeah, Nice mate, I missed those slide jobs Right. So that's the end of the quiz and I win them.
Speaker 2:Do I win? You do win. Congratulations We're sending you a pack of. Callaway Warbirds in the post.
Speaker 1:What they are.
Speaker 2:Tristan's sharing the answers with you. This is like a there's an agenda, Let's just make it better.
Speaker 1:To be fair, you'd have grounds for a good point there if the reason we had an agenda against you is to get you rattled, because that is very easy to do and it's something we all love to see. So, yeah, i suppose on that side I think you could believe there's an agenda. But I'm just better than you, mate, and it's hard for you to admit, and you, eddie, you understood the chance for me then, either I had to go all of those questions right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe about five seconds after me, right.
Speaker 1:Actually I've got a question Right?
Speaker 2:Actually, i probably want to go all porous, right. I'll give you that, but the rest?
Speaker 1:I want to go, thank you, thank you. Debate time, people Debate time. What do you call it, ed, when you like, i don't want to say side note disclaimer, disclaimer alert. We get sent our debate topic by Chief Podcaster Tristan And I think it's something that maybe he would find quite debatable. I'm probably Eddie, maybe the end, i don't know, but the debate topic for this week is go, eddie, oh the.
Speaker 2:Scottish Open will be hosted at the Renaissance Club in East Lothian, I think until 2026. I think until 2026. I think until 2026.
Speaker 1:Is it from this year.
Speaker 2:It's been there the last few years as well, isn't it, has it? yeah, ok, it was there last year. Well the question is should it be there for that period of time, given the quality of Scotland's golf courses, and is it holding it there in one venue good for the game?
Speaker 1:Yeah, i'm going to go on and say keep it there, mate. It's a very privileged club. You price out all all the Chiefs guys. I'm joking. I do not think it should be. I do not think it should be held in at such a privileged club. For the foreseeable, definitely not. I think you do genuinely price out a lot of people when you Well, actually do you price out people? Is it reflected in ticket prices?
Speaker 2:That's not the issue. The issue is that it's held at a what is seen as a very prestigious club that doesn't reflect the general golfing population. I think that's the argument. I don't see it being a major problem holding it there once, but putting the Scottish Open on a roster and it's be held in what some other golf courses to try and spread it out. I would argue there's probably a lot of money involved Whether the renaissance are paying X amount of money for it to be held there because I think it's been well documented, They've been trying to build the profile of that golf course. They've spent a hell of a lot of money on it. They've spent a hell of a lot of money redeveloping it. I know they've had people like Podrick Harrington there who have been architects to try and fix some of the challenges they've had. I do think it should be moved around When you look at the quality of the golf courses that even we've played just in each load like Golden 2 was one of the best golf courses I've ever played Down the road.
Speaker 1:It was good.
Speaker 2:It was good What Scottish Open was held on Gullin one year, wasn't it? Yeah it was.
Speaker 1:yeah, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:You've got to use your own if you follow, won't it? But certainly when you look at the facilities that the golf clubs that we've played up there and I mean they're only a handful, but the facilities that they have you'd think they'd have no problem hosting an event such as the Scottish Open. And I mean no disrespect towards the Scottish Open, but I would imagine it's not as well supported as the Open, and with it being there just, you know, the week before the Open as well, you probably doesn't do it any favours in terms of the attendance that it gets. It's probably, i'd say, more local to the Scottish people. You probably get a few Americans that possibly do the trip to Scotland and then they follow them down to Hoy Lake or even, you know, st Andrews last year, wasn't it? But I don't know why it's not on a circuit either, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:I think it's a good thing as well when you know the Renaissance.
Speaker 2:Like Eddie said, it's a club that is very privileged, and the likes of you and I and you know Ridge Joe don't really get the opportunity to play there. I think there'd be something about it if you know they played Gulland and just be interesting to see the shots that they play on holes that you've also played, having that connection with Van. It's funny though, isn't it? I mean, you could say the same thing about Augusta, but everybody loves Augusta.
Speaker 2:And you know I'm talking about from the privileged point of view. You know there is no more privileged golf club than Augusta, from the point of view that the average Joe is not going to be able to play that golf course, even if you're able to pay for it. No, but the Scottish Open is not a major, is it? No, it's not. But I'm just talking from the point of view of holding a golf competition Maybe you don't. Being accessible to the public.
Speaker 1:Or maybe you don't talk from that point of view, right? Because as ACDCs, as ACDCs, many talks, many does. I think we've definitely come to the end of this podcast. So both your points. To be fair, i think it's about it being in a privileged course And I suppose it adds a different aura to it in the sense that you're watching them play a course on TV. You'll never you know, you'll never play the same with Augusta. Then I'd also agree more So with Liam's point with. I remember playing that whole that green was hard. I wonder how they're going to tackle that particular green and then seeing them do what I'm telling you, but I don't know. It probably will get moved around after Renaissance clubs finished. In what year?
Speaker 2:2026.
Speaker 1:That's quite a long time as well. That, to be fair, i don't, i don't, yeah, no, i probably would just have to. If I did, if it was in my, it was my choice I'd say one course hosts it one year on a rotation, like the open. Last year, me and them, we'd have his shows. We don't make the same boxes. Eddie clearly makes mate because he'd like to go play the Renaissance club.
Speaker 2:I didn't say that. When did I say that You're putting words in my mouth?
Speaker 1:Hey, no, the words in your mouth is it's on Apple's platform, mate.
Speaker 2:I should go back and find it, you definitely said it Yeah, i mean yeah, you are a walking talking contradiction.
Speaker 1:Thanks, mate, i missed that. But yeah, no, i would recommend. I would recommend like they're going to fucking listen to this the Scottish. What's the Scottish RNA? Is it RNA? Scottish golf, you put on the Scottish open.
Speaker 2:Well, the DP World Tour will probably have something to do with it.
Speaker 1:See, that's why we've got you on here, mate. You're a clever guy. I completely forgot what the DP World Tour. I genuinely, i genuinely that's because the mergers on my mind, mate. Mergers on my mind, but yeah, no, that was. Do you want to touch on that or not? On what? the fact that I just what the merger? Yeah Well, to be fair, me and the I'm interested discuss this, but it would be interesting to hear your, your thought, your viewpoint on it.
Speaker 2:I'll feel about it. to be honest with you, I think one thing I will say I don't watch a lot of golf, but it's very noticeable full play. It is very noticeable when I do watch the PJ Tour that the big names are not there And I think the fields that the PJ Tour is putting out these days has been massively impacted. And I do think that there is a bit of a golf mainstream media bias towards the PJ Tour because when you watch when you watch I would say they're corrupt.
Speaker 1:I mean you know.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be bringing myself into any kind of legal disputes there, but I do think that there is a there is a bit of a bias towards the PJ Tour because they're obviously well attended. Some of these events I mean the event in Spain in Val d'Arba look pretty good And I think the one before that I can't remember what it was. But one thing I will say I don't get the team thing. I don't think anybody cares about the team golf element. Sorry, if it was singles, no problem. It's not interesting that it's a team element. It's not a team game in the Ryder Cup or like the walkup for the amateurs, perfect. But it's going to be interesting how it all pans out, because they all want compensation and payment for not being included and stuff like that, or not taking the money, which you kind of can't really argue against.
Speaker 1:No, you can't. We did discuss that as well. But tell you what BDR has done. the PJ Tour a solid on the weekend Any of you, bdr.
Speaker 2:What a but I was so glad. I was borderline emotional last night.
Speaker 1:I was as well. You don't have no idea what we're talking about, do you? Eddie? BDR, listen, listen. I'm going to have to put a serious question out to the very few listeners we have as to whether they even want you to be associated with us as friends anymore. You don't know who BDR is. Bdr, yes, big dick, rick, that's no. I don't know who came up with that nickname, but it's absolutely hilarious. I'm not taking credit for that and I was the I'm, hopefully but we that. That nickname is hilarious and he won last night, eddie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i saw, i saw that. Yeah, i saw it.
Speaker 1:Did you watch it though? Yes, you didn't did you.
Speaker 2:I watched the 45 second clip on Twitter that showed me and winning.
Speaker 1:He clashed up on 18 hits that he needed a birdie on 18th. Get to play off.
Speaker 2:It was it was good He's been playing well for a while, hasn't he?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's been trending lost his way.
Speaker 2:He's lost his way and then he's gone back to his coach and they seem to have taken it back to what he used to work on. So fair play to him. He's been a great player and he's been missed really for last two or three years. He never know could win the open.
Speaker 1:Well, it's at Hoy Lake, Me and the we're going on the Friday and we're there, so we hopefully will get to watch him play for you, but it is on the course that he played, i think, putting his best open performance today.
Speaker 2:When Maccarow won in 2014 was knee in the pit final with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. No, it was in the final pairing. No, he was. I think he was, Wasn't it DJ and him? and then wasn't it? No, you're right. You're right, i think you're sorry, i apologize.
Speaker 2:You're right, it was him, so you never know It's put Ricky in good stead leading into the open.
Speaker 1:Is he?
Speaker 2:playing in. I think he's playing the Scottish Open. Yeah, he would be. I think he always plays, doesn't he Yeah? he does The Scottish Open have got a strong strong field this year because we have also got tickets for the Sunday at the first practice session of the Open And this is basically going to be nobody there. We're hoping to catch some of the live guys. Yeah, i'm going on the Wednesday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you'll get a good cracker players coming through there, but I think if Roy doesn't win it, i want Ricky to win it. We'll come back to that later, i just think. Know that I hate it when people slide off my Rory mate.
Speaker 2:I'm not slagging him off.
Speaker 1:You clearly are.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just making a prediction.
Speaker 1:Done. One mate. He's going to win. He's going to go. This is the one he's going to win. It is, but we digress. That's a debate for another episode that you can hopefully not be a part of that. Right, we're going to round up now. Thank you very much, liam and Eddie. Liam Griffiths, eddie Beasley. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that. Do you reckon there was any correlation between how much I enjoyed that episode and the absence of a certain someone? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know anything. Have you sort of come into your own there? You seem to have grown as a person, as a host.
Speaker 1:Me and Liam, you're a broadcaster really aren't you, you're a broadcaster, me and Liam. I'll have a little.
Speaker 2:You've not done yourself any favours there, because Trist will almost certainly see this as an opportunity to take a step back.
Speaker 1:Well, I was just thinking. Maybe you and me and Eddie we take a chat offline and discuss whether we let him be a part of episodes going forward. I don't know, We'll have to see If the money's right. I might let him come back on. I don't know He can pay me for it, but we'll see Find out on episode five in the end.
Speaker 2:I won't be there, but I'll be listening.
Speaker 1:You'll be on another episode further down the line, though I'm sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, obviously we're playing in the Texas scramble, aren't we? So we should probably do something around that.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I'm a Renny in a team for the Heartburn.
Speaker 2:On that note.
Speaker 1:I'm going to leave you to the link points to enjoy the rest of your night, because I am Thank you for listening all ten of you And we'll see you next week. Eddie, quick goodbye before you leave.
Speaker 2:That's actually good, i'm coming from you. Yeah, thank you. No, I just obviously want to reiterate my thanks to you for inviting me on to guest appear.
Speaker 1:It's good to kind of touch back in with my old life, Yeah you can't technically be a guest on your own podcast, i'll give you that, liam. Well, well, yeah, any, any goodbyes for listeners, any words of wisdom? Yeah, actually, no goodby for you. No goodby for you, liam. I want you to give listeners some words of wisdom. I keep it brief, man Jeez.
Speaker 2:Okay, if you're struggling with your golf game, take it back to basics and keep it simple. Slow the swing down and focus on keeping the ball in play. baby Boom.
Speaker 1:Well, i'm almost certain that you can find better advice elsewhere. guys, i won't listen to that. Yeah well, i'm not going to cut it. I want people to know how absolutely garbys, it is. All right, cheers guys, see you later.
Speaker 2:See you later.
