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S2 E10: Dr Golf Returns, the Reality of Content Creation and Rory's Feisty Comments
Dr Golf Global returns for a catch-up and gives an insight into the growth that Dr Golf has seen, and much deserved as Zach Gould is one of the most interesting people you could meet in the world of golf. Now a father of "two under two" and juggling a growing online business, listen in to our latest episode where Zach gives us a peek into his life and shares some interesting insights into online content creation.
The episode kicks off with a lively interaction about our upcoming golf match, where Trist's two kids are up for grabs. Fresh from Lytham St Annes, Trist recaps on a Mini Links masterclass he came across whilst on his family holiday.
In the golfing world, one can't miss discussing the fitness aspect. As we navigate through the episode, we delve into the fascinating growth of golf fitness and its significant impact on average golfers. You'll hear about the innovative app Zach is developing, and his recent collaboration with the 2 x World Long Drive Champion, Joe Miller.
As we wrap up, weighing in on the pros and cons of LIV golf, we also speculate whether Brooks Koepka would make it to the US team. The discourse takes a deeper dive when we unravel Rory McIlroy's comments on Phil Mickelson's betting issues. We also analyse Rory's struggle to win majors and highlight the importance of a killer mindset.
I'll finally get the chance to shut you up. You think you're going to shut me up. I know I will. No, I cannot tell you how wrong you are. But just think about this now, right, I know you're so confident in yourself that you're going to win. There's a, even if it's 1%. There's a 1% chance that you're wrong. Yeah, in your own head. Yeah, think of how badly you're going to feel when that 1% becomes reality. Ok, right, welcome to episode 10.
Speaker 1:It is just me and Josh tonight and I guessed and I've done that about whether I would just go to town on you for like quarter an hour before anyone else joined. But I thought, no, I'm going to leave it, let you go, you can handle any one on one anyway, mate. So, thank you, lucky Chickens, I think you might be right about that. As I was halfway through the sentence, I thought, yeah, I'm not sure I could even do anyway. No, you couldn't. You got any updates? Got any golf updates? Yeah, I went to the, to that on the green place that I keep going on about with Jack.
Speaker 1:We did two hours there on Trackman and I'm very optimistic. I've got no competition. Actually, I like I've got a competition. I called him Monday at the Bogey camp, and I've got a charity team comp on the Sunday and I am in some form Tell you that for free, I'm going to make a prediction that you, your score, is not better than seven down. Wow, are you going to put money on that? Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah, how much? How much? Listen, I'm you name your price, because if it was my terms, I'd be putting 200 quid on it. Yeah, well, I've got two kids and I just come back from my holidays. So, all right, put the two kids on it then, gladly, I'll put the two kids on it and I'll lose, willingly. Listen, I genuinely, I am really optimistic. But more importantly, that individual comp on Monday.
Speaker 1:I've got basically about three, two chances to qualify for the champion the champions at the end of September. Two more chances and I'm going to clutch it. Mark my words, I'll be playing in that. I'm not going to qualify, but I will be playing in that competition come the end of September and I think there's some good money to be won if you put your money on me to win it all. Fucking hell. Just to clarify now the champion champions is that it's an event at the end of the year, similar to the tour championship.
Speaker 1:You have to earn your right to play. You have to be in the top three of the four. You have to be in the top three of any qualifying comp. Right, correct? You're not yet involved and there's two. You're going to do it.
Speaker 1:Justin Thomas, you're going to hype yourself up. Everyone thinks, fuck, he's going to make it. You know he's going to make it and actually you're not going to get anywhere near it. I hope, I hope you're willing to give your kids up for that then, because that's the wager you and I both know, podcast aside, I give you both my kids. You can keep. You can keep the eldest. He's too much. I'm full of it. I'll take George. You don't want the right idea, just want the baby. Doesn't the baby sounder?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've been in the living living St Anne's, been not playing golf, unfortunately. We've been there before and I have posted a video on the social media. In the St Anne's, right on the beachfront, there's an 18 home mini links golf course and it's great. Yeah, yeah, you'd have if you, if we were there as brothers, we'd have hours and hours of like competitive fun. It would. It would just be you play around in the morning and you'd be wanting to go back in the afternoon and evening. 100 percent. No, I don't think there's any hole longer than about 90 yards. If there is one, 90 yards. So it's literally pitch and putt. So it's not a par three course, it's pitch and putt and there is packed, but the pace of play goes quickly. To be fair, it's not a large area, but you go around and really test you. You don't know if your short game is any good until you play that. Fortunately, I played really well that day. People are asking me if the chip in that was on the video, if I, if I had like five takes for it. I didn't, that was just legitimate. That's here. So, allegedly Not, it was, it was genuine. It was genuine, allegedly OK, fine, well, it is what it is. You don't have to believe me, I don't. But yeah, if anyone's anywhere near living in St Anne's, which is, I think, in the middle of Blackpool, liverpool, ish, then go there because it's great, go there with mates and you'll guarantee put some money on it. Really, I was.
Speaker 1:I was thinking when you said many, many course, how many would it be? But anything, no whole longer than 90 yards, I bet. I bet you have Shots of 90 yards. And then let's say what would you say this, what would you say the shortest hole was the shortest hole? You'd look in at my mix. I don't know. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know Factually about 30 yards. They're all, yeah, they're all pitching. I bet 30 to 90 yards isn't something people practice often. I bet they're practicing maybe 90 to 120 or whatever amateurs, but I bet not a lot of them practice 30 to 90 yards. I bet we don't be shocked how many shots you have between those yards as well. Do you know who has the course record? World famous golfer yeah, I'm going to, I'm thinking Fleetwood. No, he's American. Nicholas, no, ricky Fowler oh, yeah, he's also.
Speaker 1:What's? What sort of conditions are in that? It's like it's a public course. So I wouldn't. You know, it's not. It. Don't go there expecting it to be Augusta National because it's not, but it's fun for what you need it to be. Yeah, it's. It's not like you're paying. You're paying. It's really cheap. It's like 10 pounds, I think I paid to go around. So, yeah, they're all pathways. Yeah, they're all pathways, but it really highlights whether you've got any short game at all. You know to really go.
Speaker 1:If you go over that, if you go around that course I don't know, maybe 10, 11, 12, even over par, then you put yourself out of birdie situation that many times on the golf course as well. So what's the course record? I think it's eight, and again, I don't know. I just know Ricky's got it, so he that eight and so he made up and down eight times out of 18. Then on 30, which is a 30 tonight, yeah, yeah, from which is a public golf course? I'll try and find out, but yeah, I know he's got it, which is really cool, sounds fun. Not, to be fair, I'd give that a go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in terms of other golf, I tell you what I did watch and I found it really, really engaging for the first time. I don't mean to sound of, I don't mean to sound. I know I'm probably making a lot of impression here, but I watched the AIG Women's Open, probably from start to finish, for the first time. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, it was good, isn't it? Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 1:The standard of golf I think people forget or overlook sometimes how good these golfers are. Yeah, but it's insane To some extent. I think that some areas I think they're better than the men. Their swings are just so. Yeah, the pure and also the tempo in everyone, in every swing. I would honestly say if I was, if I was old enough to get into golf now, I'd probably watch more of those swings and say that's how you should hit a golf ball. They're mechanics in line with their actual tempo. It's brilliant. Yeah, it was great to be fair.
Speaker 1:Who, what was the name of the winner? Again, that's coming up in the quiz. Someone's going to tell you. Charlie Hurle, though, came close, and that was. Yeah, she did. I was guessing that she didn't get to a down. Yeah, that would have been good. I think it would have been good for golf on the British Isles as well. Yeah, it would have been awesome because we might have the British winner of the Open in men or women's golf for a few years now. I think Shane Lowry wouldn't it 2019. Yeah, but he technically won it in Ireland as well, didn't he? Yes, that's true as well. So, and the only other big news we've got is that Big news, yeah, big news for you, because you technically shouldn't be allowed on it, but me and you are playing High Leak. Yeah, we are High Leak is playing us.
Speaker 1:Mate, are you going to tell people some, because I'll finally get the chance to shut you up? You think you're going to shut me up? I know I will. No, I cannot tell you how long you are, but just think about this now, right, I know you're so confident in yourself that you're going to win. There's a Even if it's 1%. There's a 1% chance that you're wrong. Yeah, in your own head. Yeah, think of how badly you're going to feel when that 1% becomes reality. I'm going to fucking smash you and, yeah, honestly, it has been coming for so long, I would say. I would even say I've craved a match play with you just to hold it against you now, for as long as I can. No, well, that's not going to happen, mate, I'd say, if I'm against you, Eddie, liam, anyone, anyone, everyone and everyone's always like yeah, yeah, whatever, mate, I'd have me. You know, and none of you have ever, ever, put pen to paper and signed the contract. Do you not want to be? Do you know what the best bit about it is? What? It's all going to be on video, and I'll have that video to replay forever. Yeah, and then it's going on YouTube. Baby, it's allowed, because what I'm going to do to you is going to be some. There's going to be some questionable things going on in that course.
Speaker 1:We'll ask our guest who he thinks is going to win. Right, let's get him on. So we have joining us Zach Gould, dr Golf, and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say it or not. Well, it's my podcast so I will. But my favorite guest so far. He was awesome. He's the type of guy To have, a guy that if you walk into the clubhouse you probably would sit for hours just listening to his stories. Yeah, yeah, you would. I bet he's got some as well. How we doing yeah, good, how you like, good, good, good. Long time no see and speak. Yeah, it's you long, really. Well, I was going to be worried. No one texts me, no one calls. I feel like he's. He don't stay in touch anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we handed over the reins to Josh. I had a baby, I did a new job and then we said, josh, you know we can't do the editing and all this chasing people around and stuff and he said, no, I'll take it on. Best part of three years. It was Zach. Before he decided to hold his finger out, I haven't got the family card to pull out of this case, as I can say, as I was living my best childless life, making the most of what I could, you know, and I'm still not expecting, so I'm going to carry on doing that.
Speaker 1:I was going to say take full, full advantage Because, yeah, it is amazing, but God, nothing prepares you. Well, we actually just been on a family holiday. So me, trist, and then our other two brothers and our parents and partners and all, all the sort of nephews and nieces and yeah, three days part time was enough for me, let alone a life of full time. So, yeah, it's put the brakes on that plan for a good few years. Yeah, I'd say, what are you talking about? Child care? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you literally had my child, who doesn't walk or anything, in the swimming pool for 20 minutes and that was enough. You were all going on the slide and it was too much for me that year. Yeah, yeah, you could see where the hell you were going with that, because I was like he's not talking about looking after the kids? Surely Not for me, not yet, anyway. But yeah, it's been, it's been.
Speaker 1:When was the one with the episode we recorded last? I feel like it was 2020, definitely in one of the lockdowns for sure. So it feels like three years, three years ago at least, which is weird because it feels like yesterday, but at the same time, a long time ago as well. What's changed with you, zach Loads? I've got two babies now. So I got a two year old Eberle she was two in March and a one year old Poppy.
Speaker 1:So I'm living the two and the two lifestyle with running an online business that's growing as his challenges, as his ups it's down, not playing no one near as much golf as I should be. So family love taking priority, but I'm keen this winter to just dedicate a little bit of time to it, if I can, because I was speaking to someone on Instagram earlier like we've got all the pieces. I feel like I'm in a place. I know what I need to do, but it's all going to have to be baby steps. Yeah, to get back into it again, and just removal expectation really, because, as we know, it's a massive killer in golf and and he played to a fairly high level. If you expect what you did before, you just always going to be disappointed. So, yeah, keen, keen on trying to get back into a lot happening with Dr Golf and family's growing, so it's been busy and I'm sure we're getting through some of the detail as well.
Speaker 1:I was gonna ask so how long had your business been set up when we spoke last when we started? So dr Golf was set up in 2018, but For the first I suppose, two years read I'm still lecturing a card of met at the time on the Shrenton condition program there. Finished PhD in 2017, set up Dr Golf pretty much immediately six months afterwards. Then I was lecturing a card of met and growing doctor golf. On the side, I think Pandemic accelerated things massively in terms of people accessing online services People just better. I think they're going on apps and live calls and those types of things.
Speaker 1:There's definitely a shift in focus. I think from a health and well-being perspective. Post COVID, people are much more aware of it and you know the positive on the old Netflix series. I think the best golfers in the world assigned posting the benefits our fitness have now on golf and Goal performance, so we're starting to see that drop down into the mass market. So, yeah, that's that's kind of where it's gone. So, post when we spoke, I went full-time on dr Golf January 2021. So it's better like two and a half years really, although the company's been going five years, so to speak. It's like two and a half years. I'll be full-time on the business.
Speaker 1:I don't think people realize either, because we're in the process now of trying to grow as a, as an online president, and Looking into more of video content as well. I don't think people realize, when you Watch the videos you produce and what comes off dr Golf and other accounts like that, how much work goes into online content. I think you see it and it looks fairly simple, but oh my, doesn't it take hours and hours and hours of your time? It's literally a full-time job in itself. Content creation is a full-time job and obviously you guys experience that sort of running the podcast and different things. But yeah, to do it, because I think it's gone on a bit of evolution, I think, sort of online stuff.
Speaker 1:Initially it was a case of right, as anybody got the balls or the confidence to actually post. Does anybody got the confidence to do a selfie story walking down the street, to giving a personal opinion whether live golf is the next best thing or not, because they see it again judged, I think that was the initial. I do feel again I don't know if my mindset, but I do feel people are possibly past that now and it's like a case of right who can deliver like the best now? It's like who can actually Deliver the best content post-edited, get it done in less than 30 seconds. Is it real content? Is it trending? There's so many different things to consider for content to actually get out there and the platforms are changing every two minutes because, yeah, 2018, you do a post on it could be rubbish, but you do a post and all of your followers would see it. Now, five years later, instagram is saying unless you pay for Adverts, we're not showing it to anyone. So it's just like it's just this evolution really of social media marketing to end up your business, which I've just been on a massive journey on really over the past couple of years.
Speaker 1:But, as you said, it is a full-time job in itself content creation but it's it's difficult with. I often find myself fall into the trap, so I can imagine for a brand as big as yours, it's even more difficult because obviously we're just sort of getting the wheels going on our second center search, but tick tock, I feel, especially if I'm not in something within the first two, three seconds. I'm not into it, so I'd imagine someone of it. Yeah, exactly, so you've got to be, you've got to literally hook them straight away. I mean, yeah, which often you think is a big, like you saying in the day-to-day Traces, it's hard to do, isn't? It's trying to and get that engagement with things. So how are you sort of up to battle that per se A couple of things really, obviously you have.
Speaker 1:You do have to absorb yourself into step-by-strending like. It's hard not to fall into the trap of, like, using tick tock an example, it's easy just to watch and just can be passive and just swipe and watch it. Or, I suppose, understand your own interaction and what gets you engaged and how you start sort of perceiving and engaging with content and then a nice is possible way taking concepts that are really working, maybe another industries and replicating them in your own because they obviously work. But then it's it is delivering the right content and different bits. So, in the nicest way, it's just it's having sort of conscious observations when you're scrolling yourself. That's what I do a lot of now, whereas in the past I never would have done. I would just be watching it for my own entertainment rather than what is this? How is this hooking me in? And I second it our way. Really, that's good.
Speaker 1:Are you working with Joe Miller or what are you doing with Joe Miller? So you probably were seeing all the bunkered stuff that we did this year. Yeah, that's been fantastic. I suppose organic reach, really front page of the Front page of the magazine and in February, which is great, wow, we're featuring every month and where people get access to the app and exercising stuff like that. But I'm sorry short.
Speaker 1:I went down to the NEC in February this year and I was, I suppose, doing some small clinics on different exercises and what people can do at home and the benefits of our performance and In-D-Risk and those types of things. But there's three different guests over the three days and Joe Miller was one of them on a Sunday and he's a brilliant. He just delivers stuff just such on a Level though I feel like everybody understands. He's been in these, the OG for me. He's been in the game since I think it was 2003. He was the person who put a long drive on my radar, really obviously.
Speaker 1:Two-time world champion, 50 worldwide wins. We just hit it off. We started chatting. He's a beast of a bloke. There's a picture of me and him sitting next to each other. He makes me look tiny and he's loved training and he's really real with it because I suppose it is easy to get drawn into some of these fans and different Swing aids and different things. He's just real. He's like right, if you want it the ball on way, you just got to be as strong as anything and we kicked. We kicked off in that way.
Speaker 1:So we've been kind of working together. I suppose the cat, the collaboration thing really. So I really and pick what he's doing from a training perspective, apply the bit of the science to it, designs in a way which I think is going to be digestible and doable for the, the everyday golfer. We put an eight week training program together called long and strong. So that's launched on the 4th of September, which is great. It's a great interest. So basically people can come and replicate the same training Joe is doing, getting insight into what speed work he's doing on the range, a little bit of technical stuff in there. It's a huge value both ways.
Speaker 1:Really has to work with with more people and for people to Ultimately it will be further is the primary focus he first came on to the scene when I James Lowsky, I think was was one of it was the American was in the in the one thousand ten, but I remember because he just he just took it to and, like you say, another level than he was with with how fast he was really in the club, because I did, I did see that you've been working with him on your socials and stuff. I thought was really interesting because I thought it'd be, it'd be great to see where where you both go, especially obviously because his people are going to measure him on based on performance etc. But in terms of your collaboration of you, has it opened your eyes to the sort of two different aspects of Training within the golf swing? I think so, yeah, because and again I still very much say I'm on the fence of overall performance, jimmy, and that's my old DNA. Really, yeah, trying to improve golf performance. The mechanism I use now is fitness and strength and conditioning, but it is. It is interesting to see how they view it and and different swing techniques and different things.
Speaker 1:The other thing I thought really interesting one of the main reasons the collaboration happened is the amount of people I sign up to the app, because when people sign on to the app, we ask them why are they here? What they want to achieve? How many people do want to hit the ball further? I've always been, I suppose, fortunate. I've hit the ball quite a long way my whole career. So I've never, it's never been a want for me. So I'm like we're hitting long enough. I kind of control it and it's other aspects of the game. So I think that's that's kind of the main thing about how much the general golfer is motivated to hit the ball further and it's you know, it does come from training, but there are some things you can do in your swing. They will have an influence as well.
Speaker 1:So it's been great listening to him and he makes it sound very simple, but he's in a nicest way. He's he's crafted it out through trial and error Without doing the reading of the research. So when he talks like that all makes sense. But if it comes across like it's very casual about it, but it's got some clear structure to it and then it's obviously work. So it's been an encyclopedia, really, of speed and the long drive. So for you to go full-time, there's obviously a lot more clients coming your way then, uptakes being great.
Speaker 1:We've currently got 11,000 golfers on the platform, which is which was massively grown since we spoke last. We've probably acquired around 300 new you sort of signups a month, which it's just mind-blowing to see how many of family golfers and your general golfers really have an appetite for golf fitness and so it's. It is incredible. We've had great success in New Zealand, obviously working with their national team and within their program. That's having a big impact then on kind of the general golfers. So it's just yeah, sometimes I pinch yourself over what we've achieved in I feel like a long period, but it is a short period and making fitness accessible to the masses across the world. Where they might have better find, they might be based in the middle. No, it might not be to find them. You know a golf trainer with. You know specific expertise on Golf fitness and golf itself. So it's, it's just a real thing. When you go about and you wake up and there might be a hundred workouts completed in a southern MSP, you're like God, how sleeping the app for different things. So it's, it's mind-blowing, to be honest.
Speaker 1:I was just gonna ask that how is life with two of the two and the New Zealand time of day. So when you've got your teams calls, what? Two or three in the morning sometimes, well, it's not too bad. Actually I tend to do any calls to New Zealand. I tend to do first thing in the morning, which is like seven, seven, thirty in the morning, so that feels like midday, as you appreciate the end of the day in a dad so early anyway, yeah, so no, it's fear them. You know everything's on demand. Two and a half thousand videos on our platform now yoga classes, mobility classes, senior youth, the spoke programs, like there's so much on there. It's yeah, people go on. Easy access, click, play, grab a golf club, copy one of our instructors, no different. The peloton, just take the bike away and do a 30, 40, 50 minute workout and and and do it.
Speaker 1:You know, how did this sort of opportunity to work with the New Zealand national team come about and what is the dynamic of that relationship? What, what is? What is it that you do with them or how do you interact on a day-to-day basis? So how about I got? I had a, I suppose, a previous relationship with the national coach, jake Carter. We actually met.
Speaker 1:I went down to Australia in 2015 To do some observations, actually at the Australian Institute of Sport in Melbourne, pure voluntary thing, what it sort of expand my experience and network. When and went down there for two, three weeks, then some observations and bump into the New Zealand national coach, we hit it off. Love rugby, I mean, had a good chat, stayed in contact, met up at the world championships, you know. A couple of times thereafter and, yeah, he Seen what we were doing online, reached out to me and just said like you know what is it, can you, can you talk me through? And? And initially at that time that was our focus. So I suppose as a as a timeline adopted, golf our initial focus was performance golf. We weren't with Wales golf, we weren't in the museum golf at the time. We weren't with counties, high-level performance pros. So you know we had some really high quality tailored programs at that point.
Speaker 1:Seeing the battle for voices. Great, new Zealand is a demographic, obviously smaller numbers like Wales, the huge in terms of size. They are 15 districts there which they they might only have one or two golfers in each district. So trying to get a strength in getting coach to be based in the right place where they can service all these golfers over. You know, a large area which, with small numbers, is a massive challenge for them, although we're based the other side of the world. We got a technology and the resources to deliver on that and he just actually loved these like so we can get strength, condition provision, high quality is delivered in a golf context.
Speaker 1:It's all on an app. We can monitor the reports, we can create groups and community. He's like this is just like no brainer really. So it won't quite as easy as that. It took six months at least six, eight months of conversations and can we do this, can we do that and various things. Anyway, long story short, we started working with them. We're into our second year working with them now. We got, then the sand out amateur golfer Kazuma Kabori won everything in New Zealand's one, loads of things in America. So he's on and really engages his sisters on who's on, me, the LET. So some of the people who are supposed in their high, high performance are really getting some good results from working with us as well. So that's you. That's just top-end tailored, the spoke program support. But I suppose the people who listen again don't know too much about the app and everything. We've got stuff on there yoga for golf, I mean all your general type stuff as well, but we can take you all the way. If you want something that Rory McElroy or something close to is is. I mean, we got a good idea what types of things they're doing and we can we can Sort of deliver on some of those top-end things as well.
Speaker 1:Do you still work with Wales golf? Yeah, so you work with Wales golf and New Zealand golf? Yeah, obviously you spoke. You just touched upon there now how the world we live in now and some of the technologies opened up a lot more avenues than what it would possibly Pre-COVID, etc. Would you or are you looking to sort of work with other donations or any of the golfing bodies, or do you feel as though you've got enough money?
Speaker 1:Play at the moment between, obviously, family and, obviously, working with Wales and New Zealand golf. It's, it's massive. So are you looking to expand into further, further places? Or again, if the opportunity comes, yes, is this something I'm actively looking for at the moment? No, what I'm really motivated now is your everyday golfer. How can we support your everyday golfer to make some better decisions, health and fitness and to play a bit better? That's where my motivations are now and I come up Trying to think you might have been a bunker.
Speaker 1:But they were like what's that some of your biggest successes with dr Golf and since you've been going and it'd be easy to lean on, you know European tour pros or DP World Tour pros and I suppose he's top, top golfers was like the biggest and I sort of penny drop moment where the golfer come on in COVID he was with us 80 months hand exercise before plays at Royal Puff Core and beat his age gross. So gives you a bit of insight into his age and it gives you insight into his ability. I was like for me that's got to be up there with one of the biggest successes and it's not all down to us. He says it is. He says you know, hitting the fourth, I'm moving back. I'm like that is that's goal for me and if we can, yeah, have that level of you know output like Jimmy, that's right. So I suppose, to answer your question, my motivation is your everyday golf and that which is has has transitioned over the past couple years.
Speaker 1:In contrast to that, how many? You probably wouldn't know the, the figure off top your head, but how many of the people on the program now age between 16 and 21 who Intend to make it in golf to some extent and Understand that if they're not fit and hitting the ball, father not going to make it. Yeah, there's a lot of those. We got around those ballpark figure, 16 to 21. There's about seven, eight hundred golfers, I would say, there who have Some sort of ambition to do something in the game.
Speaker 1:Remembering we got Wales golfers, even golf. We had ten counties, no, seven counties at one point, pro dream USA. So when you, when you look at that, there's a large portion there of golfers who are playing county level and above. You know, let's say, there's 60, 70 players in a county setup. So we're looking at you between 500 and 700 players who I'd say a performance golfers, looking to do something in the game. So there's, there's quite a lot in in there which, in a weird way, the process is still the same because it will come on to the platform. They got a zero training age, they need to do some of the fundamentals, they all need to get stronger, they'll need to improve their flexibility and posture. So you know, lots of the processes are the same anyway, but motivations might be a bit different.
Speaker 1:I Think as well, if they, and I think Because it's competitive field now online golf fitness and golf fitness in general but I think if I was a 16 to 21 year old, what I'd be looking for is your story Personally and I think if I knew that, I knew I know that I'd get more from your input, knowing that as well. So do you find that you find, do you have one to one time with a lot of young golfers and be like, listen, I've been there, done that, I Try to and I try to be very direct with it as well, because, as part, as part, especially the code of the B2B model in terms of, you know, working directly with high performance unions and national governing bodies always have a call Once a quarter, whether that's a nutrition call or an off-season training call, which would be done zoom style To watch all squads, and then they get a bespoke program on the app and stuff. I always, always trying in a In a nice way, trying to relate it back to some of the key lessons I've learned in my story, because there are some key bits and I think people can learn from and take little bits of value from. I'm very transparent and very honest about and still try to be to the day. So and then just link it back to be like if I went back to I was 16, these are types of things I'd be doing much. I know I've been through you guys before, but yeah, I do try and bring that to life. It's great to get by in credibility, but it's true as well. If someone can have one action out the back of it, then I'm stupid to hold on to some of those lessons I've learned.
Speaker 1:Really, yes, my question would be a beginner golfer now is looking for advice. Would you recommend that they start the gym One of your programs alongside golf, or would you suggest they go to drive range, stop trying to hit the ball and making contact and then maybe incorporating the fitness side that into into their golf game? I definitely know, if you're brand new to golf, you've got to get down the range and see whether you can hit the board. You've got a bit of a passion for it. It's my my go-to really because, as we know, it's such a hard game and you can see. You can see people down the range and God bless them. You're like as long as you could be your all day and it's not gonna get better, unfortunately, I think.
Speaker 1:Just be a very transparent you know, if it's something people want to get, just get down the range, try and make it fun and and, to be honest, without going off track too much, golf does need to evolve in this area. We need to make it way more inclusive, we need to make it easier. You know quick cricket, have led by example on these things. We need to. I'm making way more sociable and approachable as a sport and just just, you know, and I don't against the live conversation, but just make it a little bit more arms open, because I Golf golf will never truly struggle because it's a game you can play literally till you're 18, 90 years of age. What I'm really concerned about is the lack of junior golf. Really, again, we're not going off to track too much. So we need golf needs to innovate and bring some new ideas to the table and make a trend, yeah, and get people playing a game a bit more.
Speaker 1:And who cares where you were on a certain day of the week and who cares if you go and have a few drinks in the bar afterwards, and those just sourcing those perceptions. But if you've been down the range and you like it and, yeah, some of you really gravitate towards and you and you're interested in improving your health and fitness. They complement each other massively. If we can improve your body awareness, your flexibility, the way you move, your strength, your power, it's. It's a really nice, I suppose, common ground really between then, how you want to move in the golf swing and there's so many good things on the platform we might be like actually I didn't realize this, this would benefit. You know the way in which my hips moving my golf swing and my posture and where it stands to it, which a massive, massive indicators really that the downside the golf coach in the times is Coach very much by both. What, of course? But you know where the clubs go in and the path and different things. But your arms and your body control all of that and sometimes it gets missed and you can be very unorganized, the way in which your body is and it can make swinging a club quite difficult. So it's just a massive common ground. But the short answer that get down the range a few boards. If you like golf and you're interested in improving your health and fitness, let's bring the two together. I do want to hear your opinion.
Speaker 1:Live Twice now, not even Preempting it. I don't know why I see one coming to my head tonight. But what's your thoughts on it? We've done live to death. Now me, josh. We've done live VPJ to death. But in short, me and Josh, pretty much Auntie live on the basis that the format is shit like. Well, just to cut across it's.
Speaker 1:I don't like live. But to a point you just touched upon there, zach, when you said golf needs to be more inclusive, I'm playing a bit of devil's advocate here. You could argue that live are trying to Do that sort of thing out there, trying to make it a bit more appealing to Do non golfers by introducing all this funky music, everyone going off at the same time a bit of a part of me at Party atmosphere. Yeah, I don't. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I Don't know. It feels like they're trying to do that, but I think they're trying a bit too hard. I don't what you think. I Suppose the academic or I don't see myself as an academic but I suppose been trained in an academic way and to be critical of the whole thing.
Speaker 1:The massive positives about live is it's definitely a jumping the shotgun start. It is a positive because you're not sat there all day watching golf. You're sat there for four or five hours, not from nine in the morning to you know, six in a night, or the American golf, for example, jimmy, lately late. So there's a bit of huge positive. I love the entertainment factor around it, the concepts that people come in having fun. I think it's attracting a lot of non golfers and I actually think, other than the channels, the coverage is good. Reason why I think the coverage is good not only watch loads of it, but I think I come down to the channels. It's just constant golf on that, because I'm golf shot, golf shot, golf shot, golf shot, golf shot.
Speaker 1:Sometimes when you're watching sky and Different things, because it's broken up so long over the day, there's so much Week, I'm gonna say weak, lightweight commentary yeah, it gets boring. I just don't think that's attractive to People who are men and are in a boat golf. So there's, there's the positives. I see for live. The negatives, yeah, the the outcomes. I just couldn't care less about who wins the teams. I don't even know the names of the teams. I know history. I feel like they've given in a little bit in terms of the pj tour. So I just got no personal like attachment to the outcomes. So I'm just still just so much it more in favor of pj tour, dp will tour, rider caps, solon cups, so, and it's gonna take a lot for me to break it, but if they adopt some of the positives and live, then it could be win-win. Depends if they get the financial back in as well, doesn't that, I suppose?
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, and he lit any live golfers, go on the US team for you, zack Brooks. Brooks will get a pick, honey. It's just hard to say in it like Brooks will get a pick is my feel. But it's it's as a cat I'm just trying to put her in the captain's shoes. It's just so hard to know the level of playing out we give me go and the lack of competitive gog They've had. And you compare them all like the shambles put obviously some serious golf together. We looked at all the rest of them. Can you probably pull me up on this? How well have they actually done in the majors? Yeah, no, I said nothing standing out. I said the same as you are said.
Speaker 1:There's a case to be made for Bryson on the case we made for Pat. Agreed, apparently. But I wouldn't take either personally if I was the Ryder Cup captain. I know that I would take a person bright Bryson's fresh with 58. I know that, but I'm not trying to find things to put against Bryson at all, but Someone I'm not gonna bother guessing the names in case I'm completely wrong, but on Twitter that actually found and ranked where that 58 sits in terms of other 58 to 59s and in comparison to the field.
Speaker 1:The field were much, much closer to Bryson. I've scored in. A 58 is outrageous. It's amazing achievement. But the rest of the field had scored really low as well, whereas when Jim Feudig shot 59, I think there was 10 shots between him. I'll say something like an average of 10 shots between him and the field, something along those lines. So You've got to take into consideration what a 59, a 58 is compared to the rest of the field. So, other than that, I think that's been Bryson's highlight of the year. He did come fourth in one of the majors, but I, if I was the team captain, I wouldn't be taking anyone Out of the even question broke I?
Speaker 1:I'd want to take brooks, but with everything that's been going on this year, do you want to risk a fallout in a locker room or an Uneasiness? I would be saying listen this year, guys, let's see how we are in two years. But this year is the PJ told it right the cup team. Actually I didn't, I didn't think of the team thing and it's something that's massively Love the Americans down in the past having it and it's something it's not being a massive strength for us, so it's a good point. Having Any disruption back there could massively impact on the chances.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think I think brooks has come out as an enemy, said that it's the media that are that I can talk in this, this relationship between between players, because you know brooks and Rory, I know they're not on the same team and are on good terms and and Brooks is on some good terms with the American. I think you know you're going with JT and speed because there's a gang and they also have tended to collect them on Florida, don't they, I think? I think that becomes more of a question For the Europeans, because our relationships have been so good in the past. I think that we've suffered the most from the likes of Polter and Westwood and who's. I'm missing one more on a pulse of us would Got a gas here, stenson, all leaving. I think that's what it's really turns our way. But in terms of the, I don't think brooks would bring too much animosity at all to the American side, but as Europeans I think it would. I've said it before and I'll say it again Europe, win this round of cup. I'm feeling that too. It's like a players informer. Yeah, yeah, the picks are huge in a all the time. The picks are massive. Yeah, so it's. It's whether they go, you know, go through experience or some less experience, but up and coming out for brave, yeah, well, always interesting conversation.
Speaker 1:Would you put Ram and Rolly together in, let's say, the chances of them winning a point, obviously their number of Two and three in the world out in the awesome thing, or one and two? Would you put them together with the risk of, let's say, a 99% chance of getting a win Points, or do you split them up and then say, maybe get a year, you're trying to them bringing in a point each in the 75%? Would you put them together or would you split them up? It's a good question and it does depend on the form of the whole team. Personally, I think if the whole team's in great form, like, because what you're then comparing is how much better Rahm and Rory are compared to your last man. They're all playing tidy At bad level. No one know all good they are, how good they are. It's a nice strategy to whack them up top and try and really put someone to bed. If your team some of the lower down the pack are struggling in the bay, you've got to separate them and you've got to create strength in depth.
Speaker 1:So, without avoiding any question, it is context related. That's how I'd approach it as a captain. But in my experience, when you put two beasts together like that, they don't always work that well. No, do you know what I mean? But yeah, that's why golf is so interesting to talk about.
Speaker 1:As someone who's played in the junior IDC, zach, what was the atmosphere like? Did you? Was it like you were propagated up for it or because they were American? I don't know? Just tell me a bit more about what it felt like and how much you wanted to win that I think similar, especially when you look at the pedigree that was in both teams, like Tony Pena being in the opposite team or actually played against An Bete. So make sure we get that in you. Look at me Rory Olly Fisher, one of the best amateurs in the world at the time, javier Stork, who is another Norwegian incredible golfer. The ladies team, carlos Aganda was in there, valentina Parker so you just start looking at the pedigree of golfers around you, the way they make you feel, I think, just on the whole process of getting together or flying out together, we had all the kits, 15 years of age, playing in America, great captain, and the ingrown was Welsh. So very passionate for me, incredible setup Again, a course two, 300 people watching each group, which was probably something I would have been fairly new to me at the time.
Speaker 1:You don't tend to get that level of following in the UK. You're doing Ireland, but not so much, I suppose, in Wales and England. So I think, just bringing all that together and considering the age I was and you grow up watching Ryder Cups, it just naturally comes with the territory. Do you know what I mean? In a weird way, because then once you play, we got flown to Oakland Hills then to watch the real Ryder Cup behind the scenes. I was first on my team Tiger in real life, garcia was always my idol, luke Donald was in that team, paul Casey, david Howell, obviously all the top Americans. I think if you'd gone there first and then experienced the way the crowds are and how empty you are and how pro America it's. Just that would have really got us going if you learned when and played the junior Ryder Cup. But it's never going to be that way. But yeah, of course it's not the same, but to you at 15, it comes close to the same. I've always thought if I was ever playing in a Ryder Cup, I'd prefer it to be in America. I don't know why. I think I would just love the atmosphere of playing in front of the Americans on their home soil and trying to win there. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:When I found out that you were coming back on Zach, not long after we did the first, when you came on the first time, I was listening to a Rory McRoy podcast and he actually mentions you in it. He says he mentioned your name and he talked about how good of a golfer you were and he talked about the experience of was it the walkup or the junior Ryder Cup that you played? I never played walkup. I was in a squad three times. We played junior Ryder Cup together. He was talking about that. He was talking about that. I tried finding it. I'm trying to say through all this and I cannot find it. But I remember I fell in trust and I paused it and I was like he's just mentioned that goal on this podcast, which I thought was really cool, but he was talking about the experience of it and how it kind of.
Speaker 1:Obviously the Ryder Cup is just on steroids, isn't it? But, touching upon the atmosphere of America Ryder Cup, I always find that they're the best because Americans are very patriotic and cringy Well, cringy is a bit of a bad word for you. So when it's in America, you get the hardcore European fans going over and then you get a lot of better fans. And it's in Europe, sometimes I feel it's a bit muted. I don't know, I feel like it's not, as we're just a bit reserved, didn't we? I think the Americans, as you said, they're not afraid to say we're the best and we deserve to win and really put it on here. Like you said, if you're flying the other side of the world and you're a king golfer from Europe, you're going to be one of those as well. It's like, no, we're the best. I think it really creates, I suppose, more aggression, yeah, aggression, atmosphere and a want to win.
Speaker 1:Have you had the chance to go and watch any Ryder Cup since, obviously in the years since. No, I went to the battle, three in 0-1, also played in the junior Ryder Cup and went in in 0-2 on it because it got cancelled in 0-1 because it was twin towers, yeah, and I moved it to 0-2. So I went there. That was actually the first time I'd seen Tiger in real life. But then I stood next to Tiger at the 2004 Oakland Hills, which I was just loving, and then I was still going 0-6, went into the 2010. I went and watched the opening tee shots there and kept it on there. It's good. It's been the other chance. I had tickets for last day because it moved over to the Monday because of the weather and everything. But I tell you what it was the first day of university for me, obviously, when I went back. So I remember being in uni watching that.
Speaker 1:So, no, the long shot I haven't been, but later in life I'm definitely keen to get back out. It's difficult one, though, as well, because now I see all my peers being successful. It's not as easy as the stomach. Yeah, watching a different bit, so it's a bit of a sweet as well. Yeah, did you go to High Lake this year? No, no, I haven't got out there yet and I'm keen to at some point. I haven't watched any live golf now for some time.
Speaker 1:We went to High Lake and before you take on Josh in the weekly quiz, zach, I'm going to ask you who you think is going to win the match between me and Josh at High Lake next Thursday. It's only one correct answer there. I feel like, again, I need more context. How's it gone this year? Yeah, so I'll give you the context, zach, from when we met three years ago, josh has not developed at all. Okay At all. No, no, no, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me think it at all whatsoever.
Speaker 1:He's probably gone backwards, right, so handicaps not improved at all. No, it's gone worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like it was about 16 points. No, I think at the time when we, when you first come out, I don't think the new handicap system was in, was it? No, no, so I was off. I was off about 16 shots then. Now my index is almost 19 and I get over 20 shots.
Speaker 1:And I'll tell you what else hasn't changed. His self-inflated ego Confidence. Yeah, confidence is key. Beat him on the first tee. Let them beat themselves. We're going to have a match and basically we're having the match, because I want video evidence so I can just repeat it and re-show it for anyone and everyone for the rest of his life. Yeah Well, it's, it's a, it's a. It's a double-edged sword, I think for Trist, because he either well, no, that's not the right thing, but it's a, it's a win, but a really heavy loss as well, Because if it's also going to be on camera when I beat him next Wednesday, whenever, whenever we play, and the difference, the reason my golf game was stunted and maybe you'll be able to dissect this a bit more, zach is I'm obsessed with club head speed.
Speaker 1:I am obsessed with it and ever since I started playing golf I wanted to hit it past all my brothers and I got into the, the YouTube world, the finding lag and all this stuff and it really messed up my game and we went to a track man to cut along to the show. I went to a track man a few years ago and my younger brother was 10 mile an hour quicker than me and I was like this is wrong, this is wrong. So I went on a on the super pursuit of finding finding speed, and we went last Thursday and there's only three mile an hour in it now. So now I feel like the techniques there and I can work on actually getting the club to the ball, which means bad news for Trist, unfortunately. Well, you've missed the key ingredient.
Speaker 1:Being biased is you've I suppose you put your foot down in the 1.1 Citroen Saxo to increase the size of your engine, so you need to work on your body next to really crank it up, which I'm sure, if you get Joe on at some point, I'm sure you will. I'll explain to you to answer your question. I'm going to back you, josh, but only if you promise you have a conservative game plan. You won't. I just just just can't. I can just visualize it. I can visualize it. Yeah, there's a hitting zone which is way less than your shoppers version and you're just thinking I'm going for it. I can't. It's just that my my struggle is is it's hitting irons, to be honest. So when everyone sort of tells me, hit irons, I'm like, oh, I don't work. You've said struggle. That's my main struggle. Yeah, irons, wedges are all right, puttons, butter, zach, it's, it's, it's less than plus one, and the drive-ins is poorly as well. Lots of see-it-what-goers you can watch. You can watch the video and decide for yourself what I need to wear to my body to sort of work on. Yeah, yeah, right, zach, this kid is one.
Speaker 1:This episode 10,. I think you've won something like eight, josh, and drawn one and lost one, or one, one, two and lost one. No, I've only lost one. Yeah, I've lost one and I've drawn one, and then I've won eight. Yeah, and there's a pint on this, zach. So I do. You know I take paypal and you know whatever, you can transfer it over to me. Where's your home clip? Where's your home course? Yeah, so I'm based in Cardiff and South Wales by a player club called Dennis Powis, which I chose isn't particularly famous, but it's close to my house. Yeah, nice, but a lot of irons off the tee there. So I'm going to shoot you a game. I fancy my chances on there. I'm just I'm just trying to Google Max and I'll see how long it takes me, whether the drive-downs worth the pint.
Speaker 1:It's got a great burger bar. They converted the function room into a burger bar which sells Asian burgers and it's called one o'clock the gate. One o'clock gate. I highly highly recommend, if you come to South Wales to go there for that. Is it based on the golf course? Oh, it's sort of. So, basically, the function room which every golf club in the UK has a function room that could see 60 to 80 people that he has never used, apart from annual dinners and the on-teeth match. They've actually been really clever and leased it out to an independent business and it's been incredible, incredible, and I'm not joking, it's the best burger I think you'll have in Wales.
Speaker 1:Right, instead of instead of the pint. What we'll do is the winner when we go down to see Zach, josh, it's a burger on it instead of a pint, burger on a pint, and there's a let's get off, let's get off, right, and then a gym session to burn them off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good, you ready? Yeah, right, it's first one. So, zach, all right, all right. So, just so I know the concept, you can ask questions, and it's a first one as a quiz, and it's 10, 10 questions. Is it Five questions? Five questions, okay, okay, right, how do I answer? I just shout out Just go. Yeah, no buzzer, anything like that. I'm not feeling confident. No, you shouldn't, really. He's a bit of a biased quiz master as well, to be honest, he just, he literally just goes off his own rules Exactly. I just make up the rules as I go along. Basically, right, hold on.
Speaker 1:Lilia Vu won the AIG Women's Open. How many majors does she have? One, two, yes, zach, she got two. Or she won. So she won the Open. I know that. But then what did you win before that Second major of the year? Was it a US Open or the? So she's won two majors this year. Yeah, wow, fair play, okay, I think it's, yes, the first year she's won as well.
Speaker 1:I think this is going to be a whitewash. That's impossible. I'm just not feeling confident, especially if they're all modern questions. How can it be a whitewash? My knowledge is all 15 years ago.
Speaker 1:How can it be a whitewash if Zach's answered the question right, shut up, right, two, okay, who was in 30th place scraping into the Tour Championship? John Smith, no, smith actually finished 29th. They did it. They did loads of content on it. I watched so much golf on the weekend, is it? Are you going to have to have a clue? Only if you can answer again. Josh, if Zach guesses and gets it wrong, then it's open again. I'm struggling. I'm struggling to even find a name at the moment. I'm going to push you here, zach. I can't think of them. We're going to have to pass, right? Can you come in again, zander Schofler? No, so the correct answer is Sepp Stracker. I hadn't been there for a month or so. I've never got that. Tyrell Hatton and John Smith actually both got in Well not comfortably by the end, but there was all this anxiety about whether they'd make it. But they actually won in the 30th in the end.
Speaker 1:How much did Victor Hovland win with his BMW Championship win? $1,444,000. I was going to actually say 2.1 million. Because you're both so far off, I'll allow more guesses, but the closest two wins. I will say this Did you hear what I said? I'll say a guess. You said 1,004. 1,004,000, 1.44 million yeah, that's still way off, is it? Yeah, I thought that it's up to PJ Toppo. Is life way off? This is like live standard winnings. I was going to say it must be more than 2.8 million. Ok, so Mac wins it. Basically, then, it's $3,600,000.
Speaker 1:What I said 3.6. You said 2.6. 3.6. Exactly what I said. You're going to say 8. I said no, I'm listening. Well, I believe the audio back is going to be a better point. You can do it.
Speaker 1:The Quizmaster decided to do it. Yeah, that's it. I know about that. This one's quick fire, right, ok, honma, mura, mizuno, shriksson are all from where? Japan, japan. Josh wins that point. 2-1. 2-1.
Speaker 1:I've got to get these next two. I've got to get these next. How many questions have you got left? One One more. So I need this for the draw. Yeah, ok, to the nearest number. Right, so the nearest to this number wins.
Speaker 1:How many meters is 300 yards? 270. I'm just on the question again how many metres is 300 yards? Yeah, 270, 10%. Well, one of you is going to have to change your answer 273. No, wait there, I'm going to say 200. I must have 271. Josh wins 22. I'm going to say 271. Josh wins 22. I don't know how to say that. I was so far at that. It is 274. Meters .32. What does the draw mean? We buy a pint and a burger for each other and we just end up being screwed off. Then I have a driving comp and then I'm not messing with the Uncle Best Visa my
Speaker 1:105. .32., .32., .32. .32. I would like to, if we can, touch up on a debate for this week. What I want to discuss quickly is well, not quickly. Whatever is Rory's comments on Phil Mickelson, even though they were made before we went on holiday Josh, it was the last thing that I remember before going. So Rory said, in light of Phil Mickelson's betting issues that have been, he can bet all he wants this year as he won't be part of it. I think it was pretty much tongue and cheek. I think he said it with the Dyson to human that we're not really used to seeing from Rory. I personally didn't like it. I like everything Rory does and I try and stay strong in my support of him because he gets a really hard time, but just didn't feel like Rory. He said this week just today actually that he's not emotionally involved in any of the discussions anymore. He's just there to play golf, which I think people have wanted for a long, long time. Don't really like to see him taking the flag, but I don't like those comments because Phil love him or love him has been a part of 12 rider cups, 11 as a player. So okay, fine, is in the twilight of his career, but I don't think he deserves that disrespect, to be honest, on a stage like that. I think yeah, and I know we've touched
Speaker 1:on it a little bit. I think, as you know, I'm a massive Rory fan. There was times where he probably did say a little bit too much and he did question at times his professionalism at times. I would say I'm all pro Rory and I think a lot of people would agree with me and it's a say enough skin. So a lot of cross golf, just gambling that. Rory, just you focus on playing golf and I probably and again, I'm a massive Phil fan what he's done for the game, like some of those massive sort of head to head against how you go back in the bay and the way in which he plays golf. It is good,
Speaker 1:so it's great to watch. I think it's probably just unnecessary if you should just let it go now personally for Rory, flip it now. Give us a bit of a head on the European side of things. It just seems a little bit. But I would be empty that comment. If I have to pick a side, I'll be saying to Rory come on, just let's just get out of it now and Liv's watering the bridge, edwin's kind of speaking a bit again and you just focus on winning the
Speaker 1:right of cup for us. I loved that you made that comment. I love it. I literally couldn't. I definitely see where you guys are coming from. The most basic level it was. It was an unnecessary comment to make. But am I going to sit there and say you shouldn't have made it? No, I think Phil's just as bad on Twitter. To be honest, I think Phil sort of yaps on Twitter as well, but I just think it's a lady. He keeps rattling Liv fans. He's been very vocal. He's actually been very vocal. I completely. I think you hit
Speaker 1:the nail on the head. There's a comment you said where he said that at times you can question his professionalism and I think at some point with the comments he's made, he shouldn't be in the position of influence within what the tour does. If it's that personal to him, which is what he's now done, is take a step back. But he's been very vocal about how much he doesn't like Liv from the start. To be fair, that much he's been very transparent on. I can't say he's apocrite, but yeah, I love that. I love that slide day things. I think it's hilarious. I'm not going to lie, I like it. And, as you say, he has been consistent. He hasn't backed down once. When anyone asks him, he doesn't back down. He's very clear and fair play because on a world stage and the way in
Speaker 1:which he had media trained. I'm going to flip a bit now but I'm still sticking with what I said. I love watching interviews and stuff afterwards. You can just tell the ones who go on autopilot and just answer the questions the way in which they should and you tell the ones who just put it hard and they leave and you've got to give it a worry. He says it as he thinks it and he puts it out there and he does do it well, he does it incredibly well. But with all this live stuff I do get a little bit like let's just get on with it. I'd rather know about how you're playing and what you're going to win and all those bits and speak the truth about that. Like you said, it's become emotional and feels a little bit personal now. I definitely agree with that. Whether or not he'd admit it or not is another thing, but I think he acknowledges that. Maybe he shouldn't have made
Speaker 1:that comment at the time. But one of the elements that I thought went unnoticed is Rory's technically a Rydey Cup captain, isn't he? Hey man, john, and now Victor Hovland this year. They're our leaders, they're the big boys. Now do you want to put yourself in situations where the Americans can say you know, rory, this and Rory that in the crowd? They don't need that kind of enticing anywhere at the best of time. So I think in the build-up to Rydey Cup, he put more pressure on himself, even more pressure on himself and more pressure on the team by bringing that element into it. Because, as you said, josh, the Lyve players and the Lyve fans aren't going to need anything more from Rory anyway. I just felt a bit that when he said that. I just felt a bit like, hmm, that isn't really us as a European collective. That isn't what we're about. Not that I'm a part of it, but you know. But I said this before and I think the best version of Rory McElroy um bar that three tournaments straight in 2014, the best version of
Speaker 1:Rory McElroy is Rydey Cup. Rory, he doesn't care about pressure. He's bowed in front of American fans. When he's silenced him with an eagle, he shushed him. When he hold that put on against Patrick Reed, he rocks up 10 minutes before the tee time. In 2012 beats Keegan, but he doesn't care. I don't think he cares about the pressure. What frustrates me which is off topic slightly is why he can't bring that mindset to the individual comps most of the time, like things that were you really the masters highlight this year, I was gutted for him Um Saint Andrews last year, etc. But in terms of Rydey Cup mentality, I don't think he'll care If they, if they hear him and whistle at him and say comments, I think it's just nothing he's heard before, it's nothing new to him. So
Speaker 1:I think it'll be interesting. Again, interest Do you think you can win a major? Yeah, I'm thinking, 100% you into major, I think once he breaks that deadlock one more time, I think I think what he's shown over the past two or three years, he's undisputed the world's best. A lot of other people can have the number next to their name Schaeffler, cameron Smith, etc. I think John Rahm is another level as well, but Rory's the best golfer on the planet. I don't speak that. So once he does cross that line you look at, if you take personalities out of it, the law of averages, if you take emotion out of it is that golfer going to win another major championship? Yeah,
Speaker 1:he will. I think so. What do you think Zach before I? What do you think? I'm a romantic with it. I want him to win him. So I'm like I want him to. But I just I rationalise it the other way almost. I'm like we've got to beat 160 players. It only happens four times a year. 150 players another masses is less. It only happens four times a year. You're going to turn up to at least 50% of them off your game. How many of those courses suit your style? Yeah, and then when I rationalise it the other way, you see, oh my god, there's not many left. Jimmy's 35 if he's still competing to 50. And you start rationalising that Actually he's not playing well for two of them One major year. That's going to suit him. He's got 15 chances. I'm like, is he going to win one of 15? Well, I start thinking of that. I'm like but I totally get your side just as well. He's so and he's put himself in there so much. I need to happen more. But I'm a romantic with it.
Speaker 1:I really want him to. I don't think he'll ever win the Masters and after this season now I'm which is so hard to take his role. He's not just my favourite golfer, he's one of my favourite sports people in general. I love him but after this year. I don't own a house, but at the start of this golf season I would have bet my house that this would have been the year he won a major. And to go majorless, I think he might be. He came top 5 in every major, didn't he? He missed the Masters, didn't he? But then, the last he looked at the last 8 majors, that's the only one he's not come
Speaker 1:to private top 10 in. If he's not going to win a major in that form, what form is he going to win? He's got to go light out and I haven't seen light out Rory, since when I'm 242. He went to use to get in front. To be fair to him, for a moment he was like Tiger. He was just pulling away, pulling, pulling, pulling. I feel like now, when he gets in front, he breaks on and again, I think if he's going to do it, he's going to shoot lights out in the last round, middle of the pack. He's going to shoot 61 in the last round and he's just going to win. I don't see him in front running because the pressure and expectation is massive on him. You look at him. After, say, andrew seems in tears. This year he has seen like a different golfer. He's seen much more aggressive and comfortable with this game, but he's going to do it with a 61 in the last round. I don't see him in front running. He might then follow up with a front run. Yeah, he needs to
Speaker 1:make the seal, doesn't he? Interestingly, I read a quote from him, or an extract, in a cat room where it was from, but it was like in the Ryder Cup, he rocks up to take heads. He goes there for one thing and one thing only, whereas I think maybe in the last round of some majors he's played and maybe he's tried not to lose it as opposed to trying to go out and win it, he's taken it out. He said that that mindset that he used to have in 2012 to 2014 was just too tiring to have. Every major he was like how do I combat that? He's got this mindset now, where he's got his root bands and etc. You can't say it's affected him in such a way because he's still playing amazing golf, but maybe he just needs to adopt that killer mindset, or is he going too far past it now to get it back? I hope he does, the only way I want to see Patek read anywhere near my TV screen in that Ryder Cup is if he and Rory are head to head in the
Speaker 1:samples and it's last match. It's the point that everybody's waiting on and it's like 10 and 8, rory, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I think Rory is lazy, I don't think he was back a few years, but I just I don't know. It's hard to like, it's hard to say anything positive, or Patek reads, so it's just generally doing me the
Speaker 1:best From a fitness perspective. Like you said yourself, there, rory's 34, 35 and the guy you know his bread and butter. He's definitely the best one I've ever seen. But you see a lot of comments there. He's the best driver of golf ball ever and that goes. You know how long do you see him swinging the club 120 plus mile an hour and carrying well over 300 yards? How many more years can you project that happening, when his mindset changes? Oh right, okay. Obviously there's an age degeneration, physically as well. There's no denying that. But honestly, with the level of strength and conditioning he's doing it,
Speaker 1:he's doing it spot on. From my observation, I don't actually know what he's doing, doing all the right stuff. He's not doing stuff that's too specific. He's getting strong in the right areas, doesn't look like he's killing himself. He's holding a nice level of muscle where it's not restrictive, very efficient technically, the way in which he swings the club, because the
Speaker 1:risk with Bryson's been through. When you start delivering those level of speeds, yes, your performance is good, but then you you've got to be able to withstand those speeds. For me that comes down to how technically efficient you are then and how you manage your tournament schedule and how often you're playing all those different bits. I feel Roy's hit a real sweet spot with that. So, from like a physical, technical perspective, when I look at him, I honestly predict he'd be hitting some of these speeds late 50s. So it comes down to his mindset and motivation then. Has he still got the motivation to go on and play senior golf, potentially with maybe a billion dollars in the bank by that point and completely more majors, because he'd been out a long time? So it's a mindset shift then. And has he then got the motivation to be doing these three or four decent workouts a week and invest in his time and his recovery? So I'm going to really say you're going to see us for a long time until we see a
Speaker 1:noticeable shift in his mindset. So I don't look at him like a Dishan Mocchi where he did that chasing speed but doing crazy things in a gym, crazy swing techniques at the ball for a bit. It's all done in a really calculated way. So unless there's no free gas, then I see him having a real long career. Yeah, that's an interesting way to sort of to look at it. Really, what I hadn't really thought about. I just looked at it completely from the physical element, not at
Speaker 1:all from the mental element. Have you ever sort of crossed paths with him since, obviously, your days at junior's, or was it kind of one of those where you maybe just stayed in contact briefly, not directly? No, he met with a good friend of mine, kenneth Mills, through the pro bowing in Dubai Creek a few years back and a lot of the nights they went out for food and a bottle of wine and a lot of the nights he did speak and he knows everything that I've been up to, from studying to boxing and everything. So I think I'm very much still on his radar, even though it's hard to imagine really. But no, no direct contact as such, but I know if I see him in the face to face. It would be just like throwing back the years. You know, that must be nice to hear, though you sort of kept tabs on your success and your progression and your business. That must
Speaker 1:be really nice to hear. Yeah, nice, and that's the big part of what I want Dr Golf to become one of the biggest brands in golf and the GoToFitness platform and hopefully it gets more and more visible. Do you mean on the bigger stage? Yeah, well, look, you've had you on twice now, zach, and, as usual, we're taking way more of your time than we do, but there's only because we just like to spend time with you and have a chat with you. I'm sure we could actually speak for even longer as well. When you come down for that burger, we can have around three and a gym session. Yeah, it's very good. I'll get Zach to the point of the burger. I think he deserves it, to be fair, just before we
Speaker 1:bring it to a close. Then, zach, for listeners who want to learn more about you and get into what you're doing and they obviously will tag all your socials when we post and stuff like that. But you've got the app, haven't you on the app so that they can, and obviously Android, etc. I'll let you explain. Yeah, so obviously all social media Instagram, twitter, google X this is now called Facebook and TikTok, or our Dr Golf Global, dr Golf Global or just Google, dr Golf Global we've got incredible people who are free. You've probably felt really I'm so passionate about trying to help people. I don't necessarily always want
Speaker 1:costs to be a restriction. So, coming on to our platform, we get free access to our app insider app. We've got loads in there. We've got community 11,000 golfers sharing golf tips and success stories, mobility stuff in there, warm-ups, rent programs and obviously, if you want anything tailored, you can take it one step further. So the best place to find us, either on our social media channels or go straight to our website and download the app for free, and there's no doubt I'll be in contact with you to welcome you to the app and answer any questions. You might have Great stuff. We'll like to say we'll share the link to all that when we post on this. So Me and you should probably get back to the room or something for the bed for sleep. Thank you, zach, see you soon.
