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S2 E17: Lexi Thomson in the PGA Tour and LIV Golf’s Failure with World Ranking Points
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Get ready for an episode filled with golf tales, friendly banter, and a hefty dash of nostalgia. We're back with our beloved co-host, Ed, whose absence made us realise just how much we missed his distinctive charm and wit… not.
We debate Lexi Thomson playing in a PGA Tour event, whether or not she should even be there or not? Is it going to be good for the women’s game? Time will tell.
The conversation shifts to the challenges of maintaining our golf games during the winter season. We've got our eyes set on the exciting tournaments and new opportunities that come with each passing season.
Buckle up for a deep dive into recent competitions, golf handicaps, and a fair share of competitive banter.
If you’ve got an opinion on the LIV Golf failure to get World Ranking Points then join in the debate and let us know what you think!
Discussion About Golf and Sober October
Speaker 1Yeah, you sat there on your ass doing absolutely niche, mate. Yeah, growing another couple of chains, complaining about your knees and what, what, what. And this is what happened. Right, liam and Tresson had that, but I noticed it all happened like Liam will end up a better golfer than me in his life. I'm Jack's death bed. Jack will go. Yeah, mate, but I didn't. I didn't practice, did I? If I had to drop this, I could have been the better golfer. Heyy… he's still being a little pussy ass recently.
Speaker 3Alright, yeah, just day in, day out man.
Speaker 1Talk to him, liam. What about yourself?
Speaker 2What you asking me, man.
Speaker 1If you've been a little pussy ass bit recently.
Speaker 2You know what it's nice fucking here from you. It's a rude.
Speaker 1What Don't want me to laugh? Do you know how you cut me deep for that? I was searching offensive things. What can?
Speaker 4I ask you, why do you always start the podcast and, like, stretch your?
Speaker 1fucking depression. He's all moody bastard innit.
Speaker 2I've got a fucking cut apart from Ed. I've got to come on here and speak to you guys for 45 minutes.
Speaker 4You don't have to do it if I'm gone. Me and Josh have told you before. What do you mean apart?
Speaker 2from.
Speaker 1Ed.
Speaker 2What have you said? You know what this pod is without me.
Speaker 1What do you mean? What do you like talking to Ed dear?
Speaker 3No fucking hell.
Speaker 2There you go.
Speaker 1Talk of people making the pod mate. This guy's the main ingredient. He's the flower in the cake, yeah. I'll eat it.
Speaker 5We can have a sit or eat it.
Speaker 1I'll tell you something. You can leave now mate, if you want.
Speaker 3Jack do you?
Speaker 4know what? I've got beer actually.
Speaker 1I'm on sober October. Boys Broke it last weekend, but it's continuing this week.
Speaker 5Sober October thing, it's dry January innit.
Speaker 1No, sober October is on it, and then wait, and then I'm gearing up then towards an absolute naughty little November.
Speaker 5Yeah, I've ordered, sat at mine like.
Speaker 1Sat at mine 26 days ago.
Speaker 3That's you down to a T. You're doing sober October and you broke it last weekend. It's the 12th of October.
Speaker 1Yes, that's what I mean. It's October, that's why I'm doing it sober October in October, obviously.
Speaker 5Just do as a play mate. Put your camera back, your beaks to my camera mate.
Speaker 1Hey, for all the people who actually listen to the pod or watch it if you say on YouTube, you'll notice how Jack's going his beard out this time. So that that's a good like. Just like one, right, chris? Talk us through the agenda.
Speaker 4Jack, if you're going to have like chat off camera, won't you mute yourself? Is that a good idea, or?
Speaker 5No, trist says for you to share the favour.
Speaker 3Right mate.
Speaker 4Does. Mia know it's on video now. She's going to be on video doing that.
Speaker 5We're going now.
Speaker 1I didn't ask for the agenda. I asked what agenda was. Are you non-binary?
Speaker 4My agenda is straight up, old fashioned mail mate. Oh, I've heard. Yeah, alright, the agenda is first of all the part time returns. Eddie comes in once every 10 episodes.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 3So welcome back, make sure everything's in check.
Speaker 1Yeah, you can see, to be fair, like since you left that it's not been the same. We've just we've got any better, it's just gone. Like like that, mate, you were like that weight on the bottom of the plane, mate, I was like that weight was going to suck straight up, you are doing the arm mate.
Speaker 3We were destined to succeed, don't we, liam? Your golf games clearly not getting any better.
Speaker 1This isn't about my golf game, mate.
Speaker 3It's about your golf game. This podcast is about your golf game.
Speaker 1That's a t-shirt on the 11th right.
Speaker 3Honest to God.
Speaker 5Are you a fan? Do me a favour, spell this. N-u-t-i-n. That's what you bring.
Speaker 3Bring that in Do you know what it's like. It's a little bit like when you leave a company and you go and start a new job. You think, god, I wonder if they've got all this shit together and now like how are they a really good organisation? I thought that about your golf game until I realised you're still actually a garbage.
Speaker 1Who not me, or Jack Jack's garbage as well?
Speaker 3I want to know. Mate Jack is garbage.
Speaker 5Is the top right in my screen.
Speaker 1No, no, jack is garbage. Liam's probably the most consistent now Tristan continue the agenda mate.
Speaker 4He has been here for about 12 minutes but, by the way, liam is online. Yeah hi Liam.
Speaker 2Alright, people, I'll just go list into you guys, that shit.
Speaker 1I'll just watch Age. Wait, it's normally the way around.
Speaker 4Hi other party. Hi the party Jen Josh. So I want to tell people formally to subscribe to the YouTube channel if they haven't done so. I want to mention that it's a fucking crying shame that we have shit weather in the UK and I don't want to go into detail that I just want to say that pisses me off, because when you look at what we have from now till March or April, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1It is embarrassing. It's embarrassing to have bad weather in winter.
Golf Seasons and Winter Plans Discussion
Speaker 3Yeah. Like how embarrassing is that.
Speaker 1Liam, that we've got wind and rain in the city and, like the months, that it's notorious.
Speaker 2Yeah, and it's like it's the first winter we've had weather where there's going to be absolute shock. It's ah. Do you know what I'm feeling?
Speaker 1I'm as upset. I know you might look at us.
Speaker 4I know you might look at us as you are. It's just logic. So if winter is just naturally wind and rain all the time, what the fuck happens to our summer?
Speaker 1Well, you've got a right to complain about something. Yeah, that's what we're saying. You can't complain about fucking winter.
Speaker 4Right, here's what I want to do. Okay, I want to recap on golf seasons and what we want to do over the winter. Then I've got two discussions I want to do this evening and the quiz, right. So the golf season recap we're gonna start with, then we're gonna move on to. I know it feels like we sort of gave her shit all the time, but Lexi Thompson is playing in the PGA tournament and then I want to talk about the big one live golfers not getting ranking points. So I want to start with golf seasons. I think mine will be the shortest, so I go first. I have just been completely shit. I'm not even smiling as I say that. Just so bad. If there was An emoji that matched your personality would be that dog.
Speaker 1Yeah he's a dog. Well, they said what's that guy said a man again.
Speaker 5My chest.
Speaker 1Oh, that is, what do you mean? What do you mean? Your golf season?
Speaker 4I would say my past two golf seasons have just been so bad, played by the same thing, I think, as a as an overall problem. So the amount of times I've told their dean month Now, at times I told you, josh, when I watch the videos of us late, lately, looking at my own alignment is just embarrassing it like really, really is. And for such a simple concept, which you'd say is baseline golf, can you aim in the right place? I'm just struggling with it so much. It is like screwing with me as I step up to the ball and that's just ruined my last two years golf. So my golf season has just been so poor and I know a good reason your golf is non-existent, mate.
Speaker 2You don't. You know this, you know. But of any golf club you literally do not play. So you have got a neck on you About things that are going wrong and things that I'm and you know I'm first.
Speaker 5If you were straight you could aim. Straight makes sense.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah, you, you. You're lying to not only Three your brothers on your closest friend, but also to the probably about two or three people listening to this. When it comes out, you only found out about your alignment being off, I'm gonna say six weeks ago. That's a lie.
Speaker 3I didn't, you, I didn't know to me and you're like you know what.
Speaker 1It was in the diamond you made about two months ago. You were like Do you know, my alignment been off. To say this really two years.
Speaker 5I just say Don't say you came to me like you're a golf pro.
Speaker 1He does come to me.
Speaker 4He does come to me.
Speaker 5I've noticed on every podcast you go oh you know, jack came to me about this. Oh yeah, nobody comes for you, to you, for advice.
Speaker 1We've been to you, you all you all come to me and I come on you.
Speaker 5Like.
Speaker 3Even though you're talking about your ass. So he is clearly. Don't take this the wrong way, just, but you have had an issue with your alignment for a long time. Yeah, it's just something you've been able to like, teach yourself out of because you don't play enough now.
Speaker 4So yeah, basically I don't want to like that. I could just say the same thing over and over. But that is me over the pop.
Speaker 1I'm gonna override your combo because we're spending too much time on a guy season. He's just even play golf, okay, okay, but I'm gonna try and get the next worst one out of the way quickly, lia.
Speaker 2What do you mean? Next most one.
Speaker 1Because you, you are an incredibly intelligent guy and you speak very well. It's just there's no like Pizzazz to the way you say things sometimes.
Speaker 4I'm saying if we get yours out of the way now, then we can get to jack and then we'll.
Speaker 1There's no, there's no point going I do, because that guy just just swam as well.
Speaker 5I think the food you'd be a waffle, because you, yes, yeah, you really do. I try to put cinnamon over here sometimes.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2All right, my season. Am I talking about how the season's gone or or what we're looking forward to?
Speaker 1I'm gonna override. I want you to use your brief recap of your season should be, but I want you to spend then the last half of it. Tell all the serious note, telling the viewers what you've got planned for this coming winter, because you've got something cool planned to be fair.
Speaker 2Okay, so my season, for the most part, has been disappointing. I've had a couple of decent rounds, but for the majority it's not been where I'd like it to have been. Um, the consistency compared to last season has not been there. And then, looking forward to the new season, I've just agreed a 10 session Program with the local pro, john Bevan, at bull Bay golf club.
Speaker 3Liam, I sound like a Premier League manager. That is about.
Speaker 5I was thinking then I've agreed a 10 and you've agreed a 10 year contract or something.
Speaker 1Hey, this is. This is this is why this is basically I've got 10. He's got a full winter plan. He's got, he's gonna go on to, he's gone to dr Golf club. 20 leon, he's got a full. Yeah, and it's the one thing I respect about the golf.
Speaker 2So, working on my fitness and my mobility, do some workouts that are more golf Oriented. Yeah, like I say, mobility, flexibility, strength training and Work on my swing with with John. So hopefully, coming into next season, I'll be in a position where um, obviously I'm always gonna have to work on my game, but I'm hoping I'll be able to hit the ground running come after April.
Speaker 1I, I'm gonna say this and this is gonna upset one person this job, I know it is straight away. One thing I respect about leon tristan has always been to be at. Tristan's always been quite transparent with his golf. He's either in it or he's not, and he's never given a like he's, he's, he is what he is. Leigh-am has got a goal in mind and he, he, wants to pursue that goal and at the end of his golfing career he'll be able to go.
Speaker 1Do you know what? I gave it a good run. I know those two years I was like do you know what? I spent loads of money on it. I got fit for a new set that the girlfriend doesn't know about yet. But I'm getting a new set. I've put money into my fitness and everything. Jack, on the other hand, yeah, you've sat there on your ass doing absolutely niche Mate. Yeah, growing another couple chains, complaining about your knees and what, what, what and this will happen, right, I'm interested in that, but I know it's happening like leon will end up a bad golfing in his life. I'm jack's death bed Definitely. Yeah, me, but I didn't. I didn't practice tonight. If I Couldn't be the better golfer, oh.
Speaker 2Who the fuck let him onto this pod without car crashes?
Speaker 5Well Can. I just say please do so. It's gonna be some viewers listening to podcast and they've only seen Me and leon play golf once and I dismantled him Like whole by whole, dismantled you.
Speaker 2I like There'll be some viewers listening to the podcast.
Speaker 1Oh, let us leave us is Abby, come on. I know you didn't have much of a season.
Speaker 3I've played. Uh, to be honest with you, the only times I have played have been like through work, and I was really looking forward to playing in woburn. I played there about six weeks ago.
Speaker 2Oh, that's weird and grievance yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, so got invited to play there. It's an amazing golf course like. The facilities are unbelievable tight. They still got that performance center there, so, anyway, all I all I heard all day was the the sound of actually a brand new pro v is hitting the center of trees that are about a meter wide Of every single hole, and I was in the middle of trees. I played absolutely crap.
Speaker 5I saw a minute. You were gonna go hit in the center of your club. That took a no, no.
Speaker 3And usually my ball striking is something that I can like. My my short game is not particularly good, but I usually can rely on a ball striking. It was all shit, but it was all crap. No, it's true.
Speaker 1You said, yeah, no, you had a good ball striking.
Speaker 3Yes, you are.
Speaker 1Don't make me say again you are, you are.
Speaker 3Yeah, but I've had, I've had no seat, I've had, I've had no season. I have no plan for the only plan I've got the season I have to say this quietly is because, um, I'm hoping to go back to Alicante in about three weeks to play one round ago, I hope, a few beers and then come back. That's my plan for the winter.
Speaker 2Good luck, so get warmed up.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1And now the one for all the, for all the listeners jack, let's talk us through your season. It was when you did suffer. You did suffer. A Potential career ended an injured start season at you when you left. You left me.
Golfers Discussing Recent Competitions
Speaker 5Yeah, it's all my life ACL. So now I've got zero ACLs, um, but unlike any of you, for I was victorious this this year, um, so I'm gonna win.
Speaker 4No, you weren't. I've had a no you wasn't, what did you win?
Speaker 3a yeah but he didn't add. No, no, what do you mean? He didn't. What are you?
Speaker 5Wait it, we can't all do this qualified because they changed their tee time to shoot the weather, so he's going to rain. So they went out. It was going to be a horrible rain at two o'clock jack.
Speaker 4I don't think. I don't think it should be you telling the story, because that's bias. Yeah, as someone who's not a member of the golf club and as someone who wasn't like anything to do with it, I think it should be me. And here's what happened Greg Jack had the second lowest score of the day on a saturday and managed to wangle a trophy. That's facts.
Speaker 1Uh, yes, that can highest score. It was stable. Second highest score. Yeah, yeah, so he wasn't the best on the day, no was that it Was.
Speaker 5That it really. Anyway, yeah, one dub.
Speaker 3After Jack. After Jack, after Jack has spoken to Liam when he's on his deathbed, going to get a golfer than you or whatever he said, the guy who beat him in the Asian Cup will come in and he'll go. I've actually beat you in the Asian Cup. Do you know what?
Speaker 5Do you know what? He, he, he. He beat me in the Asian Cup technically. He knocked me out of the singles and then he knocked me out of the doubles. Yeah, but he did go on to win the singles, so he dismantled you really. Oh, without a doubt, he was off like 25, but, swear down, he was Open that jar 15.
Speaker 1Open that jar to Jack and had you on toast, didn't he? They absolutely tore back at you today. This, this is. He'll remain nameless.
Speaker 2That's something I'm going to say tonight If you were a Subway sandwich, you'd be the Subway Mel.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4Speaking of deathbeds right, jack, you are acting so proud about that that on your deathbed it's like you want Haitian Cup winner on it.
Speaker 5Well, listen you when you walk into the club. Next time, look to your right Haitian Cup. It'll only say one name in 2023.
Speaker 2Well, the winner has to say Can't get Tristan on any shit, mate, you've won the Haitian Cup. Tristan's tank up winner. I'm a Calf. Four of them, you can give. Well, josh is a President's Day winner. We've, we've all won. Yes, mate, yellow T's yellow.
Speaker 5T's Yellow T's, you win this. You win this.
Speaker 1Yeah, yellow, yellow my comfort of yellow T's, I don't care. But do you know what? Do you know what? My win, trist's wins and Liam's wins and Eddie's wins all have a comment. We beat every single person who participated that day.
Speaker 5I've got two wins. I've got two wins.
Speaker 1And that one's not a board comp.
Speaker 5Liam is the Alarm Aller of board comp. I don't know.
Speaker 2Josh, no, so there's a podcast. No.
Speaker 5See. So everyone listening, you know that's a board comp. Anyway, back to the question. So one derp, multiple top 10s, what? No, apart from that win. Yeah, it's been about two years. I've gone up two full shots.
Speaker 3What you're off now 11.
Speaker 5What that I don't know?
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't know, no, eddie's got a 7, mate 7, mate.
Speaker 3From what 5.
Speaker 5Yeah.
Speaker 4But the red is not. Yeah.
Golf Course Rating Changes and Shots
Speaker 5No, do not know. Excuse me, she's been bad golf. I'm sorry, mate, fucking hell yeah.
Speaker 1Breaking news Ball Bay has just been re-rated by Wales Golf. My right, liam, and technically it's on paper it's become two shots.
Speaker 2Let Eddie guess what the revised course rating and slope.
Speaker 3Yeah, okay, I don't know what that means, mate, to be honest with you.
Speaker 5Yeah, Okay, that makes it simple so was it 120,?
Speaker 3was it 129? It was 125.
Speaker 2It was 125. And the course was 121.3.
Speaker 3Right, you're asking the wrong person here. I don't know, but you always got two shots, didn't you? Off the back-tees, off the wide-tees.
Speaker 2Yeah well, now you've lost two shots off the back-tees.
Speaker 3You've lost two shots, what so?
Speaker 2there's like a four-shot swing Two and a half shot. Well, you've lost a shot. 1.2 shots.
Speaker 1So, for example, I would get 21 shots off 18 for 8. 95% would get me 20 shots. Now, 100% off the wide gets me 18 shots. 95% down gets me 70. And I've never played 17.
Speaker 4I know it's back to level par then. Yeah Well, no, if anything, it's playing.
Speaker 1It's playing.
Speaker 2And course rating has gone down. It's a par 70 and it's gone down to 68.8. Course rating.
Speaker 3I don't know. To be honest, I always felt that getting two shots off the whites was a little bit generous, but I would say that, taking into consideration the conditions it will be, can be really difficult. Losing that amount of shots is pretty tough yeah.
Speaker 1Mate I'm going to be. It's going to be shocking for me next year.
Speaker 3You'll hand the couple as opposed to what this year.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah it will be, because I'll be mate. I never played 17. I never played 17.
Speaker 2I think you're only going to lose shots initially. I know you have 17 shots.
Speaker 4But if you look at it this way, right, and I know that I'm no stranger to like controversy and I'm not going into a completely separate topic Controversy.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, it's a word. It's a word, Jack. Well, that's.
Speaker 5Controversy. Yeah, Did you say it's controversy then. Controversy.
Speaker 4Okay, but if you, we've all played no, liam and Jack didn't have told you, but we all played Hojlik. Eddie, you played Hojlik this year right?
Speaker 3No, not this year. I played it last year.
Speaker 4Right, so well, anyway, liam and Jack will have gone to play somewhere, no doubt. But when you play Hojlik, mike was actually showing us the back tees. So you've got the pro tees, but you've got back tees as well, the competent tees. Now, the difference between the tees we were playing and their just their genuine competes was a different golf course. It was much harder golf course, from almost hole to hole. So yellow and white tees is a different completely serve, different, complete serve At bull bay. It isn't so to be given two shots of.
Speaker 5It's a bit different. The par-3s are all different.
Speaker 1Oh, we've lost Tristan, but that's probably a good thing, I get what you're coming from.
Speaker 5I get what you're coming from.
Speaker 3I get what you're coming from.
Speaker 1I get what you're coming from.
Speaker 4I get what you're coming from. Josh, why?
Speaker 2I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 3I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 5I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 2Alright, okay.
Speaker 4Any chance to carry on there, jack, is there any chance that a person could finish a point?
Speaker 5Get to it then.
Speaker 4Right. So she's playing in the PJ Tournament. Yes, she's playing off the same teas as then, and if you're considering that now, last year the cut came up four under par at TPC Summaling, which is where they're playing, and that's listed as 7,225 yards. Jesus, it's about 700 yards longer than the last LPGA setup.
Speaker 5Jesus Much longer really isn't it.
Speaker 4Even though yeah, it's for. Well, you can think about that. Well, it's 700 yards over your own.
Speaker 1It's 50 yards longer on 14 of the 18 holes.
Speaker 4And even though Thompson hits the average driving distance at 270, which is a bomb, really in the women's game, there's six par fours at Summaling that measure more than 440 yards, and two of them longer than the 460 yards. There's one par five that's 606 yards. So, going by Lexi Thompson's stats, it's impossible for her to actually get to that in two. So what do we think about how she'll perform? Given that we don't know how she'll perform, or the fact that she's even in it, she becomes the 7th to appear in the PGA Tournament.
Speaker 1I mean I've got no issues at all and I'm not sure why people did as well or do with her being in the PGA Tournament. And as for the length, I don't think she'll struggle on par fives. I think her wedge play is really good, like look at Zach Johnson when he was in the Masters and he didn't go for a par five in two. The whole time Went for it and for the wedges. So that's not a problem. My only question is that, with some of the controversy with these I know we're going to come onto it in a minute the live World Golf Ranking. How does it translate? Obviously there's some sort of method in it. Does she get men World Golf trot and ping?
Speaker 4points or something. She's not going to get any of those in the invite it's like, so she doesn't get any.
Speaker 1It doesn't go towards her performance whatsoever.
Speaker 4She get any money. She'll get money wherever she plays, so she's invited to be a competitor in this event. That's it basically. Her ranking points won't translate into the women's game.
Speaker 1I think, so.
Speaker 2What's the question Like? What are you asking us about?
Speaker 4Is that for me?
Speaker 5Is it rhetorical?
Speaker 4No right, I actually do have an issue with it because oh, yeah, Miss Contra Vossi.
Speaker 5I call it.
Speaker 3Peter.
Speaker 4Manati. I don't know if you remember him who, peter Manati? He made a good point and yet to go back on it because he was almost cancelled for it. But this time of year in the men's game is vitally crucial for every single person who's trying to make a living out of these events. So with that field, she's actually taking the place of one man who needs as much money, needs as much ranking points, needs as much bonus points or whatever to make it into a better situation in next season's tour. Now she's invited to just sort of bring something to the event that's different to what it has to offer. And now, if I give you these statistics, you have to beg the question why are they inviting Lexi Thompson, other than just a bit of media? So so far, other than one woman who's made, who'd done it twice in 1945, whoever's typing, stop typing.
Speaker 3Josh, what are you doing, mate?
Speaker 1I'm Googling. I like Tristan, if there's, I know that's how it was Googling.
Speaker 4Just don't type, mate, because it's coming through the mic Right. Other than a woman who did it in 1945, none of the women have managed to make the cut at the PJ Tournament. Michelle Wee played in eight straight starts or holds the record for being in eight straight in eight starts of PJ Tournament, and never made the cut. So the people that have missed the cut are the people like Annika Sorensdam, michelle Wee and a few other women who have obviously on that list. So if Lexi Thompson manages to make the cut this weekend, what's it for? All it does for the women's game, in my opinion, is say oh, by the way, you've done well in the men's event, but it does nothing to raise the profile of your actual game because you don't play in this event.
Speaker 1No, what it does. If she does well in the men's game, it will show to other viewers male viewers predominantly that the women can play to a higher standard of golf than what they perceive them to that they can Look. The women's standard of golf is not quite as good as the men's but is very good and probably more insane than at times. But no, you don't see that.
Speaker 4Yeah, but that isn't so what? So that's what the goal is, is it?
Speaker 1That's what the highlight, to highlight the standard of golf is women.
Speaker 2I know it's not the goal, and I'm still like I hear it is vitally crucial.
Speaker 4But then if Lexi Thompson fails to make the cut, then does that then provide and backing points for the people saying their standards not good enough? Because that's not me, by the way. I've been on the podcast and I've told everybody that the women's game is really on the up and the quality is amazing. The Solheim Cup was awesome. But if she misses the cut, there's going to be a lot more ammo for people to turn and say knew it, knew it.
Speaker 2So at what point is a woman allowed to play in the men's field? Why should they? Well, no, like, I think, golf, of all sports, golf is the sport that has the closest how can I say like relationship between the men and the women's game. I don't think there are other sports where people you know, especially men, really look down at the women's equivalent of that sport. And it can only be a good thing.
Speaker 2You're like, if you're an aspiring female golfer now, you're, you know, 10 years old or whatever, and you're seeing Lexi Thompson tear up with the men in a PGA Tour event, you're just going to. It's just going to give you, surely, extra motivation. It can only be a good thing. I don't know how. I don't know how it's a bad thing and it's a bullshit logic and point of view to say, oh, she's taken somebody's space, because if that, if that's the case, the women can never, ever play in male events. You know, if you want to, if you want to excel and bet your game, yeah, there's, you know, there's a reason. There's a reason. The standard of golf, in my opinion, is better now than it was 20 years ago Because you had a man called Tiger Woods who raised the bar.
Speaker 4Yeah, but with your. Yeah, I get it, but with your point you're making right. So what you're saying effectively is let's not have men's golf and women's golf, let's just have golf. Right. So I'm the best golf, I want a second. Wait a second. If we do what you're saying, yeah, if we do what you're saying, how many women do you think will appear in the top event, if you allow it to be?
Speaker 2you're not invited just to best golf and you're putting words in my mouth, all right, I'm not saying we're not at that stage yet where it is just golf. That's clear. You know the men hit it much further than the ladies on average when you look at the statistics. But it's definitely a step in the right direction.
Speaker 1So you, you for the one I said now there's an opportunity to show how good women are in the game. And you said that, well, what happens if it? And your question to me was what is it if the opposite happens? Yeah, I don't know if that's a question for a day.
Speaker 3I wasn't really concentrating then I hit me on the left field. What I can't understand is well, I believe that she's been invited because it's this children's charity and I think that's the reason, the primary reason, that I think Scott's sponsors invite. I'm not 100% sure, but I think they're making a big play out of that. That's fine, but why can't more women play in PGA Tour events but just put them in as a four ball for the first two days, like I'm sure that for two days, one season. A few of the guys would be happy to accommodate that. I can't understand why somebody has to lose out in playing that week. It doesn't make any sense. It's not like they're playing until it's dark. It doesn't make any sense. I just don't get it.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'd agree with that. I don't know by the way.
Speaker 1I was just googling if it was actually true, whether she's taken another male spot, and it is true. That was the controversy around. That's here at Long and Apto. I agree with that. Why does that like? Why does one person have to miss out? I suppose, though, if you're going to just tag someone on where you're down the line, isn't it? I've had a set of people in every field where you're like well, we can't have any more people than this and one person just has to lose out. But I think, surely, I think it's a good exposure.
Speaker 4Yeah, but I kind of feel like maybe the point I'm making isn't quite understood, because actually I've been the biggest voice to say the Solhank Cup was amazing and I was gripped to it, as I was to all the women's majors this year. So it depends who you are. For me the women's game just needs more media coverage and big sponsorship, because the level of quality is evident to me already. I just think that by taking someone like Lexi Thompson putting it in a PJ Tour event by this time next week, we'll know how she's done. If she's made the cut, great. If she's near the top of the leadboard, great, it's gone really well. If she doesn't make the cut, it'll just be another statistic for people to turn and say oh look, now that's eight women or nine women who haven't made the cut at a PJ Tour event, so there's no need for it. What the women's game needs they already have. They just need more media coverage and more big competition sort of well coverage again. It just needs to be out there more.
Speaker 2This is media coverage for women's game though.
Speaker 4No, it's media coverage for Lexi Thompson in the man's game.
Speaker 2Yeah but, it's for the women's game in the man's game.
Speaker 1Which is what we're talking about now. We are talking about women's game.
Speaker 2Individually. She's come out and said in a press conference that if she makes the cut, it will be one of the biggest achievements in her career. She's being a realist about it. It's a woman playing in a men's game. It's as simple as that, really.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think that the model they should follow is the Scandinavian mix, I think it's called. That was a really fun tournament where they did the women's off the women's season, the men's off the men's.
Speaker 4They were rightfully criticised when we were coming out of Covid or coming out of something. We had the match between Phil and Tiger and there was another match between Ricky Fowler and someone else. They didn't invite the women to be a part of it. That didn't make sense.
Speaker 3That doesn't drive TV audiences, does it? This is the problem. It's similar to what's going on in the Premier League If you don't have that TV audience and people who are willing to pay for it, it's not going to be there. The reality is it doesn't stack up for broadcasters and they're the people that drive content. Unfortunately, that's just the case. If you have a few matches and maybe one or two of them were women's, then potentially it might work, but broadcaster drives everything around sports Absolutely everything.
Speaker 5The reality of it all is.
Speaker 3This is where the podcast ends.
Speaker 5No, it's not a joke.
Speaker 1It's a joke.
Speaker 5You already know that Thomas Thompson is teeing off. You're going to follow her for the first two days. They've already achieved what they're trying to do they're bringing people involved in the women's game.
Speaker 1What you are an absolute genius. Get this lad on the board, mate. He will sort things out Just a quick one though. I actually think this is a brief statement. I don't want to expect any comments on it. I think one of the quickest ways to grow the women's game would be to have a ride the cup and saw a lime cup once every four years. They're all mixed and they all got together.
Speaker 4Everybody agrees with you On to the quiz. For this week's quiz, seeing as we have five of us on the pod, I want to do 2v2. I'm thinking about the dynamics of teams. I would like to do a SFS all these VSFS newbies. I want to keep the dynamic of Josh V Leam, the dynamic of IDV Jack it's going to be Leam and Jack. Any more dynamics, Josh and Eddie. Let's go. Eddie, the rules are this I'm going to give you PGA Tour events from this year and three golfers you have to confer to see who won. I'm only going to give you a short amount of time. Josh, you typing earlier gave me a bit of nerves so you could be cheating.
Speaker 1No, I will never cheat.
Speaker 4You can confer and I then have to take your final answer as a team.
Speaker 1Are you asking us one team at a time?
Speaker 4Whatever, your score is out of three, six questions. I'm going to start with Josh and Eddie. Eddie, let's go. The Zouzou Championship. It was the first half of the year, so the 2022. Was it Mackenzie's News, russell Henley or Keegan Bradley To be?
Speaker 1honest, I've got a feeling it's one of those three. I've got a feeling it's Keegan.
Speaker 3I think it is Keegan. It's won two or three times this year. Yeah, he has.
Speaker 1Normally, when they say they've won two or three times and you can't remember, it's because they've won a lower.
Speaker 4Can I just cut across. Jack, get away from your phone.
Speaker 5I won't do it on my phone.
Speaker 4I swear down, I'll look at the screen. I swear down on Artie's life.
Speaker 5I swear down on Artie's life. I can't even find two. If he won it.
Speaker 1Eddie, do you want to lock in Keegan?
Speaker 3Yeah, we'll lock in Keegan Bradley.
Speaker 4One point. Yes, I couldn't even find it. Get in Jack and Liam. The Farmers Insurance Open was won by was it Akshay Batia, scotty Sheffler or Max Homer?
Speaker 2Pretty recent. I think it's Max.
Speaker 5I think it's Max. It's Akshay. I've not seen him acting. Jai, it's Akshay. He's not won this year.
Speaker 1He has, he's not won this year?
Speaker 4One point it was Max Homer, josh and Eddie who won the FedEx St Jude Championship. Was it Rory McElroy, victor Hovland or Lucas Glover?
Speaker 1It definitely wasn't Lucas Glover.
Speaker 3He's won a couple of times.
Speaker 1It was Hovland. I'm pretty sure he won. He won the FedEx Cup and he won a tournament leading into the FedEx Cup. I'm almost certain it's Hovland, I know it wouldn't have been what was the other one? It was Rory.
Speaker 2I think Josh is right.
Speaker 3Lucas Glover did win a couple of events coming in because they thought he was going to get picked for the right cup.
Speaker 2No, it was Hovland.
Speaker 1No, I say he did, he did, didn't he? But I don't think he won there.
Speaker 3It was Rory, he wasn't.
Speaker 1Rory, I'm going to push you now.
Speaker 3I think it was Lucas Glover. I think Victor Hovland came in and had a great last day, didn't he?
Speaker 2We'll go with the leading.
Speaker 3Are you off the?
Speaker 1end Hovland.
Speaker 4It is Lucas Glover Go for it, Liam.
Speaker 5you were so obvious then.
Speaker 4Yeah, he was. It wasn't because of Ad, it was because of you, liam, liam and Jack, who won the Valspar Championship? Was it Matt Wallace, corey Connors or Taylor Moore?
Speaker 3Taylor and Lulsh and Moore.
Speaker 2I think it was Corey Connors Jack.
Speaker 5Do you know what? I always think it was Corey Connors as well.
Speaker 4Are you locking?
Speaker 2it in. Yeah, locking it in.
Speaker 4It's Taylor Moore.
Speaker 3Yes.
Speaker 5Why do you have to say that I was going to say Taylor gave me more.
Speaker 4Right, so, eddie and Lulsh, you could win this. Now, who won the Open Champion? Joke? Who won?
Speaker 2Let me choose a good one, you've got to give him a shitty one as well.
Speaker 4I am going to then. Yeah, I think it was Connors who won the Stony Open in Hawaii. Was it Min Woo Lee, Adam Svensson or Si Woo Kim?
Speaker 1I think it was Si Woo Kim. I'm going to go with him. Si Woo Kim.
Speaker 3Who were the other two? Min Woo Lee.
Speaker 4Min Woo Lee, Adam Svensson or Si Woo Kim.
Speaker 3I think I'm going to go with Si Woo Kim.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think Min Woo Lee won on the tour and I haven't heard of Svensson winning.
Speaker 4I need to lock it in.
Speaker 5I'm going to see Si Woo win.
Speaker 1I'm just a bit of a bitch, you know.
Speaker 2Half an hour to convert.
Speaker 5You played yourself, liam. You could not make that, so you like. I think Josh was right.
Speaker 3Give these two numpties a fairly easy one and just see if they get it Not too easy.
Speaker 4Alright.
Speaker 1Liam, get your eyes out, though your bead little eyes out the screen, Okay you ready?
Speaker 4Who won the RBC heritage? Was it Tony Fienow, Wyndham Clark or Matt Fitzpatrick?
Speaker 5RBC heritage.
Speaker 2I'll let Josh talk now.
Speaker 1Talk, as he was thinking. Jack, you're thinking.
Speaker 5Who are the options?
Speaker 4Wyndham Clark, Matt Fitzpatrick or Tony Fienow? I know this one who are you.
Speaker 5I think so I'm thinking it is Jack.
Speaker 4don't cover your mouth.
Speaker 2Who is it? He's just repeating the question, matt.
Speaker 1Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 5Who is it? Matt Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 4Okay, let's go to the second debate.
Speaker 1I knew he would have Jack. What is it it shows, because it won't show up on the viewing.
Speaker 5When I was going like that I had one eye open.
Speaker 1I was like, I'm going to be the first to see the RBC heritage, I was like I'm going to be the first to see the RBC heritage I think everybody knows I've made.
Speaker 4I've been no stranger to the debate. Officially, there are currently no official World Golf Ranking points awarded to the live golfers. That's correct. It's all down to format. My opinion on live golf has changed drastically over the last few months From the discussions we've had, the debates we've had, the points people have made. I think I've come to quite like some of the setup. You can't ask for World Ranking points. The reason they've been denied is fairly simple. There are now 48 players every time they play, the likes of Mikkelsen, westwood, polter, who are not playing good golf. They play each and every time, in every live event. There's no promotion or allegation. It's just the same 48 players asking to be recognised by the World Golf Rankings, which, in my opinion, is wrong.
Speaker 1I think we're all right, you've covered everything. Good night.
Speaker 3I can't understand how they feel they've got enough grounds to do it. At the end of the day, you're playing three days with no cut. The dynamic of competitive golf is totally different. You're not having to fight for your tour card, which adds a heightened sense of risk. It probably makes you do things you wouldn't expect to end the pressure, the characteristics of the game are totally different. I think it's a long shot really.
Speaker 3I did see a tweet from Mikkelsen. I think he's got some validity to his point around the fact that there will be a. The PGA will have their hands all over the World Golf ranking points Because apparently they have borrowed against their broadcast deal. If they lose, if they get World Ranking Points, if Liv gets World Ranking Points, then they are going to drive more TV revenue away from the PGA and they'll come calling for their loan back. So it's going to. I just can't understand. It's totally different. I do like bits of Liv. I can't stand the team element of it. It's a sham no one cares about team golf in that setting. It's just a joke. If they got rid of that, I think I'd enjoy more.
Speaker 1I feel about Liv as what Rory McGriffle towards Joe LeCave in that car park. I've arrived the cup on Saturday. I really don't like it. And the thing that I think as well is say, now that Liv was formed, and it was 48 of, let's say, the best 48 college golfers or armatures in the world, but I just turned pro yeah, and they granted World Ranking Points and then, using those World Ranking Points, they got into majors ahead of players who were playing on the PGA Tour, such as players like Bryson, sergio, henrik, phil. I think they would kick off about the fact that at all, that doesn't have any good players on.
Speaker 2But it's not. Were Was allowed.
Speaker 1But my point being the only reason that is some validity to the fact that Liv golf should have World Ranking Points is because world-class golfers are there. If it wasn't for the world-class golfers yeah, people who were trying to fight for their card, to make money and stuff I don't think those same golfers would have the same view because they'd be taking their places in tournament when they're like, well, we play four-day events, they play three days the same field. Like, I think I'm not saying that you can't disagree with my point. That's just where I'm coming from, that there needs to be an element of consistency in World Ranking them. And people will boil that down to or they just don't want to see the Liv succeed and probably his part. But I think there's more to it than what is Liv.
Speaker 2Golf is albeit people who we degree are sort of past it or not good enough, but for the most part they're established PGA tall players. The reason I agree with them losing their case is because they don't follow. You know of all the tours that there are that contribute to earning World Ranking points. They all have the same format for the individual competition and Liv don't are not in accordance with that format. So like it's simply, you know, you can't argue it. I don't know how a case can be brought forward.
Speaker 4Four other tours that are no, we're 24 hours surprising.
Speaker 4There's not many, but there's obviously with the mini tours and things like that which work in the relegation and promotion aspect of it. But yes, so I think some people are making the point the three day event is not a problem because if you get 1000 ranking points then you can make that 750 ranking points. So you would get the same amount of value, but not same in amount per se because you're not playing golf. But the no cut is an issue and the fact that, if you, if you are and I say this every every time, I talk about him because I love him and I think the more I get to sort of see his personality in the impulsor, the more I like him, more.
Speaker 4So Paul is at home and he's saying well, I want ranking points. Of course I want ranking points. So I'm going to ask for ranking points. And it's the case of don't ask, don't get. But he also has the cheek to say I'm going to play in the same multimillion pound event every year, safely, this year, with no risk, and I want world ranking points. You can't.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2Three rounds, though like that 750 point logic just doesn't.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Like four rounds. To play four rounds of good golf, yeah, I think it's hugely different to playing three rounds.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, that's the point I was going to make.
Speaker 2There's a reason. There's a reason on the PD talk about he's known as as moving day and that that Sunday you always get someone come out of the blue into contention. You know it's so that. That's where it differs for me.
Speaker 1I think I think as well. It's like Laura averages the longer you do something, the more the more chance of it going wrong. Do you know what I mean? So I know it's a very small, you don't do an extra round, but you could absolutely capitulate on that last round of the fourth round play meant for three days and then capitulate on the fourth day and fall really far down the field and lose those ranking points and then pull out the fact that we'll hold on. Can we not just take it off the first three days? Yeah, do you know what I mean? But what you me, what you me, trist, liam and Eddie, I'll say is pure speculation. What Jack says goes. So I'm interested to see what you make of old Jack, especially with your view. Coming off the back of that women's game view, I thought it was phenomenal.
Speaker 5I've got no opinion.
Speaker 1He's raised the hand as well.
Speaker 5Just like Eddie don't really like it. Team part of it.
Speaker 2You know run the cup, team it up yeah in all times copy what people say and then make the point Throughout the match between me and you. I'd go first and I'd be like, yeah, slightly uphill, why are we going first, and then he'd be doing that and he'd be doing well, seeing, it's not the same thing.
Speaker 1Jack, do you know when someone says no, do you know? When someone says can I copy your homework? Yeah, but just don't copy it exactly, you just make it boring.
Speaker 5No, no, I'm signing off on this. Okay, bad time now. But yeah, I went first on the first tee and then he went first on the second shot because he was behind me. I went first on the 10th tee. He went first on the second shot On the 10th tee. Yeah, you mean?
Speaker 1the ninth, then.
Speaker 5No, anyway, yeah, no opinion on it.
Speaker 3Jack, how many World Dranking points did you get from the Haitian Cup?
Speaker 1Then, mate, because he didn't technically win, he got all the marking points you get for second. I think he got the money though.
Speaker 2By the way, he did overtake me.
Speaker 1In the Old Romantic.
Speaker 2Old Romantic, you know, when I was in Benidorm and then Mexico. So I pretty much took the whole of August off, off yeah. He said I'm going to be well ahead of you now. When we did it and it was about 20 points- Liam, would you say this?
Speaker 5It's a sign off, please? No, liam, I filled my car up with fuel If I started in between your eyebrows, went to the top and ran out of fuel.
Speaker 1Josh, do you know what you're like? Yeah?
Speaker 4I can't laugh about it. Josh, got a question for you just before we actually sign off, Jack, so before that, like and subscribe to this channel the podcast, this playlist, the videos, the social media. Basically, if you're listening, just subscribe and everything you need to do. Josh, how good does it feel to know that when you go to sleep and you close your eyes, you're a legitimate Bull? Big Off Club winner.
Speaker 1Absolutely fantastic mate, as I'm sure it does for yourself, liam and Eddie as well, yeah.
Speaker 5I'm a gamer, mate.
